2020-08-04T02:51:46  *** okurz_ is now known as okurz
2020-08-04T10:17:47  <okurz> tuanpembual: hi, do you think you could install https://www.redmine.org/plugins/redmineup_tags on progress.opensuse.org? I never managed to login to that new instance as root (or sudo to root)
2020-08-04T10:21:37  <tuanpembual> hi @okurz
2020-08-04T10:21:55  <tuanpembual> sure, I will try. :)
2020-08-04T10:23:45  <okurz> thanks. I would also be happy to learn from you how you did that then.
2020-08-04T10:23:54  <okurz> Cu later, afk for long, so take your time :)
2020-08-04T13:48:29  <lkocman> okurz, ah wrong "Short" name we'll fix it for the next one :-) https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/retro
2020-08-04T13:48:38  <lkocman> okurz, it's a subproject of 15.2 release
2020-08-04T13:49:24  <lcp> I like that my css hasn't broken yet, even with 3 levels of breadcrumbs
2020-08-04T13:50:17  <lkocman> hehe :-)
2020-08-04T13:50:53  <okurz> lkocman: if the name is wrong, should I delete the project and you can recreate it? I don't see anything wrong with that. I would just ditch the "15.2" part :)
2020-08-04T13:58:45  <lkocman> okurz, please do
2020-08-04T13:58:52  <lkocman> okurz, we should keep structure
2020-08-04T14:02:46  <okurz> lkocman: please confirm, I will delete https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/retro ?
2020-08-04T14:09:17  <lkocman> okurz, confirming
2020-08-04T14:10:27  <lkocman> okurz, btw I'm thinking of making these data processing hours as a open door meetings. I'll be online sharing my screen if poeple are interested in the gold in form of feedback
2020-08-04T14:11:00  <lkocman> not sure how many people will turn up but it should not be more than 4 hours in total (perhaps 4 meetings)
2020-08-04T14:11:24  <lkocman> or one evening with a beer at home ... but not sure how many people would stand that
2020-08-04T14:14:57  <okurz> lkocman: I like that
2020-08-04T14:15:18  <okurz> lkocman: deleted, you can give it another try :)
2020-08-04T14:38:27  <lkocman> way better okurz https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/leap152retro
2020-08-04T14:38:56  <lkocman> okurz, I did agree with Marina to do two rounds of reviewing "categorized" feedback on Thursday, one in the morning and one in the afternoon
2020-08-04T14:39:22  <lkocman> I'm going to send an email to project@ in a few minutes
2020-08-04T17:57:21  * malcolmlewis lurks
2020-08-04T18:00:25  <cboltz> hi everybody, and welcome to the heroes meeting!
2020-08-04T18:00:40  <bmwiedemann1> good evening
2020-08-04T18:00:47  <Redtigra> good evening!
2020-08-04T18:00:52  <malcolmlewis> good evening
2020-08-04T18:00:55  <deneb_alpha> hello :)
2020-08-04T18:00:56  <ddemaio> good evening
2020-08-04T18:01:16  <pjessen> hello all
2020-08-04T18:01:31  <cboltz> the topics are on https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/68730
2020-08-04T18:01:47  <cboltz> does someone from the community have questions?
2020-08-04T18:01:55  <deneb_alpha> yes, me
2020-08-04T18:02:06  <cboltz> ask ;-)
2020-08-04T18:02:35  <deneb_alpha> last meeting I got the AI to try to clarify the GDPR topic
2020-08-04T18:03:07  <deneb_alpha> question is: when this or next week the heroes could be available for scheduling a call with SUSE legal?
2020-08-04T18:04:09  <deneb_alpha> from SUSE legal could be possible on German business time or from 21CEST on
2020-08-04T18:04:27  <cboltz> do you have specific people in mind?
2020-08-04T18:04:32  <deneb_alpha> possibly not on Friday ;)
2020-08-04T18:04:46  <pjessen> I am available, preferably during business hours (8-18)
2020-08-04T18:04:50  * cboltz would be available in the evening, 21:00 sounds good
2020-08-04T18:04:53  <deneb_alpha> cboltz, all the Heroes that should be involved with GDPR topics
2020-08-04T18:05:38  <pjessen> I can do 2100 too
2020-08-04T18:05:51  <bmwiedemann1> including SUSE employees?
2020-08-04T18:06:10  <deneb_alpha> goal of the call is to clarify what is required from a GDPR point of view
2020-08-04T18:06:27  <deneb_alpha> bmwiedemann1, well, yes. you are with 2 hats ;)
2020-08-04T18:07:59  <bmwiedemann1> for me 2100 would work, too
2020-08-04T18:08:26  <deneb_alpha> sounds like a plan. anyone else interested to join?
2020-08-04T18:08:26  <malcolmlewis> would that include Forum admin(s)?
2020-08-04T18:09:08  <deneb_alpha> malcolmlewis, yep. all the people that are administrating openSUSE infra and that could deal with GDPR topics
2020-08-04T18:09:35  <tuanpembual> hello.
2020-08-04T18:10:02  <tuanpembual> can I join too? as progress admin. :)
2020-08-04T18:10:10  * King_InuYasha waves
2020-08-04T18:10:20  <malcolmlewis> ok, just needs a date, time and go-to meeting number to call in
2020-08-04T18:10:22  <deneb_alpha> tuanpembual, :) +1
2020-08-04T18:10:50  <deneb_alpha> time seems to be 21CEST according to what the others wrote
2020-08-04T18:11:17  <deneb_alpha> for a day? any preferences this week (or next) apart from Friday?
2020-08-04T18:11:22  <ddemaio> I'll join as well deneb_alpha
2020-08-04T18:11:29  <deneb_alpha> ddemaio, +1 :)
2020-08-04T18:11:50  <malcolmlewis> 19:00UTC is fine by me
2020-08-04T18:12:03  <pjessen> please also provide a POTS number, I have had trouble getting my mike to work on leap/kde.
2020-08-04T18:12:59  <pjessen> wed or thu is good.
2020-08-04T18:13:00  <deneb_alpha> pjessen, what about our meet.o.o.o instance? do you have issues there?
2020-08-04T18:13:16  <pjessen> deneb_alpha: ah, will have to try that out. it might work.
2020-08-04T18:13:18  <lcp> I can join in
2020-08-04T18:13:47  <klein> sorry, just arrived.... join what?
2020-08-04T18:14:19  <deneb_alpha> pjessen bmwiedemann1 malcolmlewis tuanpembual ddemaio lcp confirmed until now
2020-08-04T18:14:29  <King_InuYasha> I can do 19-21 UTC depending on the day
2020-08-04T18:14:46  <King_InuYasha> as long as it's not this Friday (since I'm giving talks at Nest during that time)
2020-08-04T18:14:56  <deneb_alpha> King_InuYasha, ok, noted
2020-08-04T18:15:36  <deneb_alpha> klein, join... a call with SUSE legal for discussing about GDPR, having shared knowledge and work together on the topic
2020-08-04T18:15:38  <King_InuYasha> I'm free after 11am EDT until 2:30pm EDT
2020-08-04T18:16:21  <King_InuYasha> (15:00 UTC to 18:30 UTC)
2020-08-04T18:16:29  <King_InuYasha> deneb_alpha: ^
2020-08-04T18:16:33  <darix> can I suggest you want to use UTC for all time stamps?
2020-08-04T18:16:52  <King_InuYasha> darix: I did the conversion, I'm listing both because my native timezone is what I know offhand
2020-08-04T18:16:56  <deneb_alpha> King_InuYasha, thanks for the UTC conversion and agree with darix, better to use UTC
2020-08-04T18:17:03  <King_InuYasha> deneb_alpha: I can't think in UTC :)
2020-08-04T18:17:10  <klein> deneb_alpha: argh, I hate legal|GDPR stuff... but, it's part of the work, so, add me to the invite, I will join if possible whenever it is
2020-08-04T18:17:12  <King_InuYasha> it's safer for me to list both in-case I'm wrong
2020-08-04T18:17:44  <cboltz> King_InuYasha: would you prefer a unix timestamp? ;-)
2020-08-04T18:17:48  <King_InuYasha> absolutely not :D
2020-08-04T18:18:01  <bmwiedemann1> 1596565079 now
2020-08-04T18:18:04  <King_InuYasha> oh man
2020-08-04T18:18:07  <King_InuYasha> @.@
2020-08-04T18:18:10  * King_InuYasha dies
2020-08-04T18:18:13  <malcolmlewis> deneb_alpha, so just need a day...
2020-08-04T18:18:49  <deneb_alpha> recap confirmed: pjessen bmwiedemann1 malcolmlewis tuanpembual ddemaio lcp klein King_InuYasha
2020-08-04T18:19:24  <cboltz> not that I'm too keen on this topic, but I'm afraid I'll also have to join the meeting ;-)
2020-08-04T18:19:48  <klein> cboltz: I think we have the same feelings about this stuff haha
2020-08-04T18:19:54  <deneb_alpha> cboltz, sorry, I missed you with the copy/paste
2020-08-04T18:19:55  <King_InuYasha> what, you don't *love* legal matters? :D
2020-08-04T18:20:44  <deneb_alpha> what about Tue 11th at 19:00 UTC?
2020-08-04T18:21:13  <lcp> fine with me
2020-08-04T18:21:52  <King_InuYasha> deneb_alpha: can we push it an hour earlier?
2020-08-04T18:22:23  <cboltz> please don't, I have another meeting that day an hour earlier
2020-08-04T18:22:57  <bmwiedemann1> 2020-08-11 19:00 UTC that is then
2020-08-04T18:23:42  <tuanpembual> fine with me
2020-08-04T18:23:44  <King_InuYasha> that collides for me :(
2020-08-04T18:24:04  <deneb_alpha> cboltz, this week -> 2020-08-06 19:00 UTC ?
2020-08-04T18:24:19  <King_InuYasha> deneb_alpha: that date works for me
2020-08-04T18:24:26  <cboltz> yes, that would work for me
2020-08-04T18:24:33  <King_InuYasha> (August 6, that is)
2020-08-04T18:24:47  <pjessen> works for me.
2020-08-04T18:25:01  <lcp> it's fine
2020-08-04T18:25:11  <malcolmlewis> fine by me
2020-08-04T18:25:41  <bmwiedemann1> also fine with me
2020-08-04T18:25:49  <ddemaio> me as well
2020-08-04T18:26:31  <robin_listas> the meeting is postponed to thursday?
2020-08-04T18:26:44  <deneb_alpha> pjessen? could this week -> 2020-08-06 19:00 UTC work for you?
2020-08-04T18:26:50  <bmwiedemann1> robin_listas: a different meeting
2020-08-04T18:27:05  <robin_listas> ah, ok
2020-08-04T18:27:39  <tuanpembual> aug 6 is fine too.
2020-08-04T18:28:28  <pjessen> deneb_alpha: yes, that works.
2020-08-04T18:28:29  <malcolmlewis> ahh this week is also fine for me
2020-08-04T18:29:49  <deneb_alpha> ok, thank you folks! do you prefer to have an email invitation or one with the jitsi link to admin@ is fine?
2020-08-04T18:30:15  <King_InuYasha> email invitation please
2020-08-04T18:30:24  <deneb_alpha> *individual email I mean
2020-08-04T18:30:24  <King_InuYasha> that way calendar reminds me :)
2020-08-04T18:30:48  <cboltz> heroes@ is good enough for me - and also makes sure people not in this meeting will be aware of the meeting
2020-08-04T18:30:51  <malcolmlewis> email is fine
2020-08-04T18:31:06  <King_InuYasha> deneb_alpha: individual email would be preferred, but sending the calendar invite to admin@ works too
2020-08-04T18:31:19  <deneb_alpha> ok, email to heroes + one to King_InuYasha ;)
2020-08-04T18:31:22  <King_InuYasha> :D
2020-08-04T18:31:39  <malcolmlewis> deneb_alpha, email as well please
2020-08-04T18:31:59  <deneb_alpha> malcolmlewis, +1
2020-08-04T18:33:16  <deneb_alpha> if no-one else has anything else to add on this, I'll give the ball back to cboltz for the rest of your meeting
2020-08-04T18:33:24  <cboltz> deneb_alpha: it's probably a good idea to point legal to https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin-wiki/wiki/GDPR as a preparation for the meeting
2020-08-04T18:33:34  <deneb_alpha> cboltz, already done
2020-08-04T18:33:39  <cboltz> even better :-)
2020-08-04T18:33:43  <deneb_alpha> I was also sharing the minutes from last call
2020-08-04T18:34:26  <deneb_alpha> thanks again for your time folks :)
2020-08-04T18:35:17  <lcp> thanks for taking care of the legal stuff :P
2020-08-04T18:35:39  <cboltz> ok, so - are there more questions from the community?
2020-08-04T18:36:29  * deneb_alpha hides herself and apologize for the time stolen to the Heroes call
2020-08-04T18:37:25  <cboltz> deneb_alpha: we'll send the invoice ;-)
2020-08-04T18:37:25  <lcp> I don't think we were planning taking care of tickets this month either anyway
2020-08-04T18:38:13  * King_InuYasha shrugs
2020-08-04T18:38:21  <cboltz> doesn't look like there are other questions from the community, so let's continue with...
2020-08-04T18:38:25  <cboltz> status reports about everything
2020-08-04T18:38:33  <cboltz> who has something to report?
2020-08-04T18:38:54  <Redtigra> would you mind me asking abou the mail server?
2020-08-04T18:38:55  <lcp> which one first matrix, tsp or mailman3 :P
2020-08-04T18:39:20  <Redtigra> I know that was discussed last month, but could not join then unfortunately :(
2020-08-04T18:39:25  <pjessen> Redtigra: you mean our new mx[12]?
2020-08-04T18:39:38  <Redtigra> pjessen, yep
2020-08-04T18:39:48  <pjessen> okay, that's me then.
2020-08-04T18:40:42  <pjessen> basically mx[12] are both ready to be switched over.
2020-08-04T18:41:20  <pjessen> I prepared them beginning of july, but decided it would not be a good idea to switch over before I went away on summer hols
2020-08-04T18:41:55  <Redtigra> sure.
2020-08-04T18:42:10  <Redtigra> do you have any timeline in mind then?
2020-08-04T18:42:31  <bmwiedemann1> status from me: I found out how to generate openidc tokens, so if you got an opensuse service that needs auth, we can try it (still not confirmed fully working yet)
2020-08-04T18:43:02  <pjessen> I had hoped to be ready this week, but I think that'll have to pushed at least one week. so Monday next week. will write an announcement
2020-08-04T18:43:35  <pjessen> just timing issues on my part
2020-08-04T18:44:22  <lcp> bmwiedemann1: I have 2 services right now, synapse and hyperkitty
2020-08-04T18:44:40  <Redtigra> pjessen: great, thanks a lot. did not mean to push in any way, just askin'.
2020-08-04T18:44:52  <pjessen> Redtigra: no probs.
2020-08-04T18:45:06  <cboltz> pjessen:  will you start with soft_bounce and mx*.suse.de as fallback for some days?
2020-08-04T18:45:22  <pjessen> cboltz: maybe :-)
2020-08-04T18:45:46  <lcp> mailman 3 stuff is up and running, which you can see at http://mailman3.infra.opensuse.org, and it would probably be cool to migrate at some point
2020-08-04T18:46:27  <pjessen> lcp: which list have you tested it with?
2020-08-04T18:46:52  <lcp> I have not tested it with anything outside of testing mailing lists
2020-08-04T18:47:00  <lcp> so basically it exists in the vacuum rn
2020-08-04T18:47:13  <tuanpembual> Status update from me. About progress.I only do css implement, thanks lcp. then install agile plugin and add agile to roles config. and next todo is plugin request from okurz.
2020-08-04T18:47:30  <pjessen> lcp: might be good to to do some real testing before migration :-)
2020-08-04T18:47:47  <cboltz> lcp: I'd say we should switch _after_ we switched over the to mx*.opensuse.org because that makes adjusting the aliases easier (no need to change them on mx*.suse.de)
2020-08-04T18:47:57  <lcp> yeah, that's fair, although I can imagine it's gonna be quite a thing to do so
2020-08-04T18:48:14  <pjessen> cboltz: definitely.
2020-08-04T18:48:14  <lcp> I was also thinking that maybe we could remove the opensuse-* prefixes when migrating ;)
2020-08-04T18:48:16  <cboltz> and then switch over opensuse-test@ which is meant for testing anyway
2020-08-04T18:48:19  <King_InuYasha> lcp: yes please!
2020-08-04T18:48:28  <lcp> I know, blasphemy
2020-08-04T18:48:31  <King_InuYasha> let's get rid of the redundant and useless prefixes
2020-08-04T18:49:09  <lcp> cboltz: you mean test@opensuse.org? >:D
2020-08-04T18:49:09  <King_InuYasha> though the truly blasphemous suggestion would be factory -> devel@
2020-08-04T18:49:14  <bmwiedemann1> and then I have to adapt my procmailrc again?
2020-08-04T18:49:31  <lcp> yes
2020-08-04T18:49:41  <pjessen> lcp: it's only more work, but it's up to you I would say.
2020-08-04T18:49:46  <King_InuYasha> lcp: it should be foo@lists.opensuse.org, so people know it's a list ;)
2020-08-04T18:49:46  <lcp> King_InuYasha: no, that's not happening
2020-08-04T18:49:51  <lcp> factory is way cooler of a name
2020-08-04T18:49:54  <King_InuYasha> haha
2020-08-04T18:50:04  * cboltz wonders if we have any members called programming, announce, bugs etc ;-) - removing the opensuse- prefix would make clashes with member aliases more likely
2020-08-04T18:50:20  <King_InuYasha> cboltz: opensuse.org -> lists.opensuse.org would fix that
2020-08-04T18:50:24  <lcp> cboltz: well, let's do it on case by case basis then
2020-08-04T18:50:33  <pjessen> cboltz: oh yes, it's not an easy change at all.
2020-08-04T18:50:41  <King_InuYasha> so opensuse-factory@opensuse.org -> factory@lists.opensuse.org
2020-08-04T18:51:01  <King_InuYasha> completely sidesteps the collision problem entirely
2020-08-04T18:51:09  <King_InuYasha> since the address is a different namespace now
2020-08-04T18:51:16  <robin_listas> prefixes are nice for filtering on receiving side. Or clashes. Otherwise, use a subdomain.
2020-08-04T18:51:41  <King_InuYasha> hyperkitty will do nice things for you automatically to label emails for filtering
2020-08-04T18:51:52  <King_InuYasha> even web-gmail compatible :)
2020-08-04T18:52:14  <lcp> yeah, subdomain might be a better idea after all
2020-08-04T18:52:14  <King_InuYasha> that is, it adds extra headers that you can use for filtering
2020-08-04T18:52:15  <robin_listas> yeah, i'm thrilled with procmail ;-)
2020-08-04T18:52:40  <pjessen> X-Mailing-List is quite useful for filtering
2020-08-04T18:52:43  <King_InuYasha> yep
2020-08-04T18:53:08  <lcp> pjessen: so I will wait for mx switch then, in the meanwhile we can set up login with bmwiedemann1 and have a testing domain for the frontend side
2020-08-04T18:53:12  <King_InuYasha> what's also cool is that every message you receive from mm3/hyperkitty will also have an X-Archived-At header with exact message URL
2020-08-04T18:53:27  <King_InuYasha> very handy if I want to link a message to someone
2020-08-04T18:54:07  <pjessen> lcp: sounds good
2020-08-04T18:54:14  <cboltz> interesting point - what about links to the current ("old") lists.o.o? Will they stay valid?
2020-08-04T18:54:15  <lcp> lists-test.o.o would be good to have for testing, because it's a pain to work with webapps without ssl ;)
2020-08-04T18:54:16  <King_InuYasha> blech, it's Archived-At, (no X- prefix)
2020-08-04T18:54:27  <lcp> cboltz: nope
2020-08-04T18:54:29  <King_InuYasha> cboltz: we can freeze the old lists forever since we're switching domain prefixes
2020-08-04T18:54:41  <King_InuYasha> just turn off listserv and leave them available as a static archive
2020-08-04T18:55:01  <lcp> that's true
2020-08-04T18:55:02  <King_InuYasha> that's what Fedora did when moving from mm2+pipermail to mm3+hyperkitty
2020-08-04T18:55:07  <pjessen> hmm, I was hoping we would migrate the archives over too.
2020-08-04T18:55:11  <King_InuYasha> pjessen: we would
2020-08-04T18:55:15  <King_InuYasha> there would just be two copies
2020-08-04T18:55:22  <lcp> importing to mailman archives will be fairly easy, because it's just mboxes
2020-08-04T18:55:25  <pjessen> King_InuYasha: ah, okay
2020-08-04T18:55:33  <King_InuYasha> the idea is to not break old links
2020-08-04T18:55:35  <lcp> I just need to write a script for that
2020-08-04T18:55:57  <lcp> well,we would break one old link >:D
2020-08-04T18:56:03  <lcp> the index
2020-08-04T18:56:22  <King_InuYasha> yeah, well, that's fine :D
2020-08-04T18:56:28  <King_InuYasha> I think that's the only semi-dynamic part
2020-08-04T18:56:59  <pjessen> I know it might be old-fashioned, but I wudn't mind seeing the plan for the whole migration.
2020-08-04T18:57:01  <King_InuYasha> lcp: you and I should sit down and come up with mapping for all the lists
2020-08-04T18:57:28  <King_InuYasha> pjessen: it's not a bad thing for us to have a plan
2020-08-04T18:57:37  <lcp> pjessen: I can do that after the meeting
2020-08-04T18:57:51  <lcp> and I can set up the mailing lists on the mailman3 side even today
2020-08-04T18:58:16  <lcp> (just so we have where to migrate that is)
2020-08-04T19:00:35  <robin_listas> Huh, I have to get moving in a few minutes. Do you want me to comment on the progress on the nntp server?
2020-08-04T19:01:07  <lcp> sure
2020-08-04T19:01:24  <pjessen> robin_listas: yes plz
2020-08-04T19:01:51  <robin_listas> Ok, the nntp server is running and open for testing (started, not enabled on systemd), on the forum VM
2020-08-04T19:02:17  <robin_listas> only has one test group accessible only inside infra.
2020-08-04T19:03:15  <robin_listas> I think the next step could be testing that with the gateway to the webforum.  I don't know how to do that part.
2020-08-04T19:04:15  <robin_listas> If that works, then we would need to add perhaps one 20 GB partition for the database, add the real groups, and populate them.
2020-08-04T19:04:31  <robin_listas> Then, follow our feet... :-)
2020-08-04T19:05:09  <robin_listas> that's all I have for now :-)
2020-08-04T19:06:24  <bmwiedemann1> lcp: could be good to get some buy-in on the list rename from users? e.g. on opensuse-project?
2020-08-04T19:07:15  <lcp> sure
2020-08-04T19:07:23  <pjessen> bmwiedemann1: +1
2020-08-04T19:07:25  <robin_listas> I need coordinating with whoever handles the web-nntp gateway.
2020-08-04T19:07:55  * King_InuYasha imagines the massive trolling that'll ensue over the post about renaming the lists
2020-08-04T19:07:58  <pjessen> robin_listas: probably me
2020-08-04T19:08:04  <lcp> how should I request oidc metadata from you bmwiedemann1
2020-08-04T19:08:42  <robin_listas> I hoped the forum admins would participate :-?
2020-08-04T19:08:48  <bmwiedemann1> lcp: you can email me. I mostly need the service name (could be an FQDN) and 'scope' - e.g. email or profile
2020-08-04T19:09:03  <lcp> sure, I can get that to you
2020-08-04T19:09:07  <pjessen> King_InuYasha: we already have some lists without the prefix. we have some lists that aren't opensuse-only as well
2020-08-04T19:09:48  <King_InuYasha> pjessen: that never stopped anybody :P
2020-08-04T19:09:54  <bmwiedemann1> King_InuYasha: and bike-shedding - if someone things about renaming factory to devel then someone else might propose project->meta or whatever
2020-08-04T19:10:00  <pjessen> King_InuYasha: quite so :-)
2020-08-04T19:10:36  <lcp> pjessen: we can do multiple domains in mailman3, so maybe we could do something about the lists that aren't openSUSE-only?
2020-08-04T19:10:39  <robin_listas> Ok, I have to get moving. I will read the log later. Bye
2020-08-04T19:10:49  <lcp> cya
2020-08-04T19:10:50  <King_InuYasha> lcp: that would be nice
2020-08-04T19:11:01  <King_InuYasha> e.g. uyuni
2020-08-04T19:11:06  <pjessen> tbh, I would prefer migrating lists as they are and leave the renaming for later. I am a great fan of KISS.
2020-08-04T19:11:33  <King_InuYasha> from experience, I can say it's a bad idea to split up renaming
2020-08-04T19:11:36  <King_InuYasha> from migrating
2020-08-04T19:11:49  <King_InuYasha> people are usually able to deal with that stuff if it's just part of a larger shift
2020-08-04T19:11:55  <lcp> yeah, right now I can tell you it will be easier to do all in one shot
2020-08-04T19:12:15  <pjessen> okay, I'll take your word for it.
2020-08-04T19:13:49  <lcp> we migrated tsp recently, from boosters.i.o.o to a new vm
2020-08-04T19:14:04  <lcp> the only thing really on boosters now is connect
2020-08-04T19:17:27  <cboltz> at least the excuse "but there are other services running behind connect.o.o" is gone now :-)
2020-08-04T19:17:59  <cboltz> but - to open another can of worms, maybe not to be discussed today  - we still need a replacement for connect.o.o
2020-08-04T19:18:52  <lcp> that doesn't really help >:D
2020-08-04T19:19:24  <lcp> well, we do have one running >:D
2020-08-04T19:19:34  <lcp> but it depends on the login system we can't use
2020-08-04T19:20:31  <cboltz> great :-/
2020-08-04T19:20:45  <cboltz> any chance we could use it with the current login system?
2020-08-04T19:21:22  <lcp> no, the current login system is a touch too limited
2020-08-04T19:22:22  <cboltz> :-(
2020-08-04T19:23:46  <cboltz> so - any other status reports?
2020-08-04T19:24:40  <lcp> I sent a feature request for splitting v8 libs away from nodejs, so we can use that with other packages, which gets us closer to discourse packaged properly ;)
2020-08-04T19:24:57  <lcp> and it was picked up, it's not like I sent it into the void apparently
2020-08-04T19:26:02  <cboltz> :-)
2020-08-04T19:26:07  <deneb_alpha> lcp, think positive ;)
2020-08-04T19:26:41  <lcp> well, I would hope we could use that login system at some point, but that's gonna be real hard now ;)
2020-08-04T19:29:33  <lcp> I do still stand by that connect replacement though, because it is the best thing we got this far
2020-08-04T19:29:44  <King_InuYasha> I still cross my fingers to finally bring openSUSE Accounts online
2020-08-04T19:31:10  <cboltz> ok, so - next topic?
2020-08-04T19:31:25  <lcp> I guess so
2020-08-04T19:31:41  <cboltz> I'll change the order a bit and pick a (probably) quick topic first:
2020-08-04T19:31:45  <cboltz> Forum (well any) spam reports - where to send for action
2020-08-04T19:32:03  <cboltz> any idea who can/will handle blocking spammer accounts?
2020-08-04T19:32:59  <malcolmlewis> I see a new category in progress.o.o - Accounts and GDPR
2020-08-04T19:34:31  <malcolmlewis> I've already set some of out Forum reports to this...
2020-08-04T19:34:53  <malcolmlewis> out/our
2020-08-04T19:36:32  <malcolmlewis> cboltz, maybe something can be discussed on Thursday?
2020-08-04T19:36:55  <deneb_alpha> malcolmlewis, cboltz +1
2020-08-04T19:37:19  <cboltz> if nobody volunteers today, yes
2020-08-04T19:37:54  <malcolmlewis> cboltz, but the login systems is not in openSUSE infra?
2020-08-04T19:38:16  <pjessen> plus spamming is not really a gdpr issue ?
2020-08-04T19:38:20  <cboltz> right, we'll need someone from SUSE to handle this
2020-08-04T19:38:56  <malcolmlewis> pjessen, but if they spam progress, then wait, they can spam the forum as well...
2020-08-04T19:39:25  <malcolmlewis> we can ban at the forum, but they still have an active account elsewhere
2020-08-04T19:39:43  <pjessen> malcolmlewis: anyone can spam progress.o.o unfotunately. no account required.
2020-08-04T19:40:22  <malcolmlewis> pjessen, all the more to block email in the accounts system
2020-08-04T19:41:32  <cboltz> progress.o.o (especially because of mails to admin@) is somewhat special - but in general I agree that blocking spammers helps for more than the forums
2020-08-04T19:43:04  <malcolmlewis> cboltz, add as an action point on me and will see if can find out more from my SUSE contacts
2020-08-04T19:43:11  <deneb_alpha> and cboltz blocking spammers can be seen as a way to protect the infra/systems I suppose this can be an exception to logging personal data like IP
2020-08-04T19:43:58  <deneb_alpha> (I mean in the GDPR context)
2020-08-04T19:44:17  <malcolmlewis> cboltz, with the SUSE foum and vanilla, it is linked into our go to spam site for spammers and automaticall bans/removes
2020-08-04T19:45:37  <cboltz> so there's basically a "post your spam here to get banned" sub-forum? ;-)
2020-08-04T19:46:16  <malcolmlewis> cboltz, a plugin, checks the account if in SFS it gets nuked and banned AFAIK
2020-08-04T19:47:47  <cboltz> SFS?
2020-08-04T19:47:58  <malcolmlewis> Stop Forum Spam ;)
2020-08-04T19:48:08  <cboltz> ah, ok
2020-08-04T19:48:40  <malcolmlewis> we manually add our ones
2020-08-04T19:49:15  <malcolmlewis> get banned -> get a SFS entry
2020-08-04T19:50:29  <cboltz> makes sense ;-)
2020-08-04T19:50:43  <malcolmlewis> anyway, give me a few days to see if I can find out anything on the SUSE side
2020-08-04T19:51:16  <cboltz> ok, thanks
2020-08-04T19:51:22  <malcolmlewis> n.p.
2020-08-04T19:51:58  <cboltz> is someone awake enough for the last topic?
2020-08-04T19:52:02  <cboltz> review old tickets
2020-08-04T19:52:02  <malcolmlewis> because also see a few tickets for GDPR removal request...
2020-08-04T19:54:53  <malcolmlewis> cboltz, as in no action? I have one open ticket for the forum login, waiting for feedback, but think have that resolved, unmigrated account and using existing email
2020-08-04T19:55:34  <cboltz> if you think it's resolved, then mark it as such ;-)
2020-08-04T19:55:41  <pjessen> cboltz: am awake, but not for long
2020-08-04T19:55:44  <cboltz> in "worst" case you can reopen it
2020-08-04T19:56:29  <pjessen> have been debugging mlmmj most of the afternoon, am tired.
2020-08-04T19:57:13  <malcolmlewis> cboltz, done ;)
2020-08-04T19:57:20  <Redtigra> sorry, need to leave. will read the rest of the log; and will meet with Gerald this week :)
2020-08-04T19:57:34  <cboltz> pjessen: yes, I know it's late ;-) - and it seems to become a tradition that we skip the "old tickets" topic
2020-08-04T19:57:50  <pjessen> cboltz: not a good tradition, but ....
2020-08-04T19:58:13  <cboltz> at least we have a monthly reminder, and can feel bad about it ;-)
2020-08-04T19:58:52  <pjessen> maybe we ought to add them to the agenda, one by one
2020-08-04T19:59:20  <cboltz> that will make the agenda quite long (currently 182 open tickets, no idea how many of them qualify as "old" ;-)
2020-08-04T19:59:24  <pjessen> anyway, goodnight all
2020-08-04T19:59:32  <cboltz> good night!
2020-08-04T19:59:43  <malcolmlewis> ngood night
2020-08-04T20:00:01  <cboltz> thanks everybody for joining the meeting!
2020-08-04T20:02:04  <malcolmlewis> :) until next time
2020-08-04T20:03:50  <tuanpembual> thanks everyone
2020-08-04T20:03:54  <tuanpembual> good morning
2020-08-04T20:05:18  <deneb_alpha> bye
2020-08-04T20:05:23  <deneb_alpha> :)
2020-08-04T20:11:12  <bmwiedemann1> bye