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2018-11-06T19:02:11 yes, we are already two minutes late ;-) 2018-11-06T19:02:58 welcome everybody to the heroes meeting! 2018-11-06T19:03:10 do you have the link with the topics? 2018-11-06T19:03:12 topics are on https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/41927 2018-11-06T19:03:32 hi there 2018-11-06T19:03:48 I should probably add "hosting the Chameleon theme on static.o.o" 2018-11-06T19:03:57 hello bmwiedemann2 2018-11-06T19:04:34 cboltz: how about we start with this then? 2018-11-06T19:04:49 yeah, why not ;-) 2018-11-06T19:05:02 you've probably seen the request on heroes@ some weeks ago 2018-11-06T19:05:08 so the basic questions are 2018-11-06T19:05:15 - should we do that (IMHO yes) 2018-11-06T19:05:29 - does it make sense to have versioned directories? 2018-11-06T19:07:08 I know Guo requested the versioned directories, but I'm not sure if it makes sense 2018-11-06T19:07:10 versioned dirs means? 2018-11-06T19:07:33 Guo's idea was something like https://static.opensuse.org/chameleon/v1.0.3/dist/css/chameleon.css 2018-11-06T19:07:40 it means, caching can be more efficient, because one version will never change 2018-11-06T19:08:23 right, but it also means that for every little bugfix in the design, you'll have to adjust several sites to switch to the latest version 2018-11-06T19:09:41 a 'latest' symlink could help there? 2018-11-06T19:10:22 not really IMHO 2018-11-06T19:10:53 if a page includes current/... we can't make the cache lifetime too long 2018-11-06T19:11:10 (to the outside, "current" will look like a normal directory) 2018-11-06T19:11:27 Isn't the idea of versioned CSS to avoid wrong caching after an update? 2018-11-06T19:12:04 yes 2018-11-06T19:12:37 I'm "just" afraid that this versioning will cause superfluous work because we'll have to change several sites whenever a new version appears 2018-11-06T19:14:29 okay then I'm also against versioning 2018-11-06T19:15:44 I'd say we should tell Guo about our opinion about versioning - but if he still has a strong preference for the versioning, I'd accept that 2018-11-06T19:16:07 sure, fine by me 2018-11-06T19:16:17 ok, I'll answer on heroes@ later 2018-11-06T19:16:50 The problem is that a new layout may require a new CSS. So if you deliver new HTML referencing new styles, missing in a cached version, your site looks broken. 2018-11-06T19:17:33 I know ;-) 2018-11-06T19:17:45 Ok, ok... 2018-11-06T19:18:12 don't get me wrong - I see good reasons for both ways 2018-11-06T19:18:43 but my experience is that if you add superfluous work somewhere, it won't be done, and several sites will be stuck with the old version 2018-11-06T19:19:13 Full ack. 2018-11-06T19:19:35 therefore I prefer the small risk of cache issues (which IMHO is really small - I don't expect big changes to the Chameleon theme) 2018-11-06T19:20:52 so - next topic? 2018-11-06T19:21:13 tickets? 2018-11-06T19:21:13 questions and answers from the community 2018-11-06T19:22:26 apart from the topic we just discussed, I don't think we had any 2018-11-06T19:23:12 since nobody dared to ask a question - yes, go ahead with the tickets ;-) 2018-11-06T19:23:31 we are down to 118 yey!!! 2018-11-06T19:23:53 *pop* (champagne) 2018-11-06T19:24:01 thanks a lot for handling all the tickets! 2018-11-06T19:24:08 one important is that we dropped the shuttle net address from baloo 2018-11-06T19:24:12 you flooded my inbox, but I'm happy about that ;-) 2018-11-06T19:24:28 the preliminary work happened last week in one of the network outages we had in the nuremberg office 2018-11-06T19:24:41 and today Per brought the interface down 2018-11-06T19:24:53 so let's hope there won't be any issues 2018-11-06T19:25:13 I'd say to leave it there for a couple of months, and if things are stable we can remove it completely 2018-11-06T19:25:54 agreed 2018-11-06T19:25:59 I'm also thinking that the tickets that are actually tickets for our vendors can be closed as soon as we forward them 2018-11-06T19:26:11 I don't see a reason of keeping them open since we can't work on them 2018-11-06T19:26:34 I went ahead and did it with some long standing ones, would it be fine if I do it with all of them and keep it as a rule? 2018-11-06T19:27:10 I see exactly one reason to keep them open - vendor tickets are non-public, which means I will no longer see a "reminder ticket" of outstanding issues 2018-11-06T19:27:42 we can keep a list of them somewhere 2018-11-06T19:27:55 in a meta ticket or in an etherpad page or in a git repository 2018-11-06T19:28:06 sounds like superfluous work to me 2018-11-06T19:28:14 could we (ab)use the "feedback" status instead? 2018-11-06T19:28:21 with a reference to the downstream and upstream tickets 2018-11-06T19:28:32 nah I don't really like it 2018-11-06T19:29:35 I'd prefer it over an outdated meta ticket / etherpad / ... ;-) 2018-11-06T19:30:16 well, the problem is that our tickets are most of the times outdated as well 2018-11-06T19:30:40 we don't get enough info from our vendors eg ETA or even if the issue is fixed 2018-11-06T19:30:50 maybe that's why I don't want to add another thing that gets outdated ;-) 2018-11-06T19:31:13 thats why I would prefer one "outdated" place instead of all of those tickets 2018-11-06T19:31:14 not even getting a notification when someone is fixed sounds interesting[tm] 2018-11-06T19:32:03 anyway, we are not coming to an agreement so let's keep it like it is 2018-11-06T19:32:39 another thing is that I unassigned myself from tickets that I'm not working or I'm not planning to work on soon, and that other people can work on them 2018-11-06T19:32:53 and I think we have around 20 unassigned tickets now 2018-11-06T19:33:11 one special case is our oldest ticket https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/2392 2018-11-06T19:33:27 which depends on many upstreams to get fixed, and I don't think we should really keep it open 2018-11-06T19:34:00 actually - maybe not 2018-11-06T19:34:18 IIRC download.o.o serves repodata itsself (no redirect) 2018-11-06T19:34:41 if it really does so, redirecting repodata requests to https://download.o.o would be doable 2018-11-06T19:35:22 (redirecting to https for all rpm files is of course a different issue) 2018-11-06T19:35:38 no idea 2018-11-06T19:37:33 do you know who knows mirrorbrain good enough to know that? 2018-11-06T19:38:26 lars darix rudi adrian 2018-11-06T19:38:33 the usual suspects :) 2018-11-06T19:38:59 can you ask them? ;-) 2018-11-06T19:40:34 maybe, no promises 2018-11-06T19:41:13 anything else? I need to leave in 5 mins 2018-11-06T19:41:35 Testing Æ-DIR? 2018-11-06T19:42:00 indeed, I'm not surprised that you ask ;-) 2018-11-06T19:42:13 I have to admit that I didn't have time to test it yet :-( 2018-11-06T19:42:25 the VMs are waiting for you...uuuh... ;-) 2018-11-06T19:42:45 also didn't get to it yet and I don't see it happening soon unfortunately 2018-11-06T19:43:35 The easiest thing would be if you just try to integrate a playground VM with it. 2018-11-06T19:44:18 I can teach cboltz how to do that at GPN18,5 2018-11-06T19:44:49 sounds like a plan ;-) 2018-11-06T19:45:15 maybe I'll find an hour or two to look at Æ-DIR before, but - no promises on that 2018-11-06T19:46:07 Send me an e-mail for your initial password reset. You need a 2nd password (e.g. via phone). 2018-11-06T19:46:24 so I need to go 2018-11-06T19:46:36 thanks everybody, have a nice evening 2018-11-06T19:46:44 tampakrap: enjoy whatever you'll do tonight ;-) 2018-11-06T19:48:18 mstroeder: I'll do as soon as I have some time ;-) 2018-11-06T19:48:32 anything else, or should we close the meeting? 2018-11-06T19:50:04 looks like we can close the meeting 2018-11-06T19:50:07 thanks everybody! 2018-11-06T19:51:18 bye. 2018-11-06T19:53:19 *** mstroeder has quit IRC 2018-11-06T20:03:02 PROBLEM: HAProxy on anna.infra.opensuse.org - HAPROXY CRITICAL - Active service obsreview is DOWN on obsreview proxy ! ; See https://monitor.opensuse.org/icinga/cgi-bin/extinfo.cgi?type=2&host=anna.infra.opensuse.org&service=HAProxy 2018-11-06T20:03:03 PROBLEM: HAProxy on elsa.infra.opensuse.org - HAPROXY CRITICAL - Active service obsreview is DOWN on obsreview proxy ! ; See https://monitor.opensuse.org/icinga/cgi-bin/extinfo.cgi?type=2&host=elsa.infra.opensuse.org&service=HAProxy 2018-11-06T21:03:14 *** Fraser_Bell has joined #opensuse-admin 2018-11-06T21:05:56 *** lcp has joined #opensuse-admin 2018-11-06T21:21:08 *** malcolmlewis has quit IRC 2018-11-06T21:21:49 *** malcolmlewis has joined #opensuse-admin 2018-11-06T22:09:18 *** lcp has quit IRC 2018-11-06T22:35:17 *** Fraser_Bell has quit IRC 2018-11-06T23:10:32 *** lcp has joined #opensuse-admin 2018-11-06T23:44:30 *** lcp__ has joined #opensuse-admin 2018-11-06T23:46:27 *** lcp has quit IRC 2018-11-06T23:46:29 *** lcp__ is now known as lcp