2025-09-26T05:58:19  *** teepee_ is now known as teepee
2025-09-26T11:17:04  <_Marcus_> hi
2025-09-26T11:17:10  <_Marcus_> i think mails are getting sent multiple times again
2025-09-26T11:17:30  <_Marcus_> due to my unfortunate moderation approval the list server is sending lots of emails, but for a single reply email i now got 6 copies back
2025-09-26T11:19:33  <cboltz> load and mailq on mx* and mailman look normal / "bored"
2025-09-26T11:19:56  <cboltz> however, I noticed a different problem in one of the queued mails:
2025-09-26T11:20:00  <cboltz> Subject: openSUSE-SU-2021:0846-1: important: Security update for umoci
2025-09-26T11:20:05  <cboltz> Date: Sun, 28 May 60056 07:36:10 +0200
2025-09-26T11:20:38  <cboltz> I love getting fixes early before they are exploited, but in this case you sent the mail *very* early ;-)
2025-09-26T11:23:28  <_Marcus_> now this is really weird.
2025-09-26T11:23:49  <_Marcus_> i apperoved a batch of "old emails" as said, around 40 or so.
2025-09-26T11:23:57  <_Marcus_> i think they might be requeued by someone else / modified
2025-09-26T11:27:34  <cboltz> well, the first Received headers say that the mail is from Sep 9 2025 - but the date header heavily disagrees
2025-09-26T11:35:58  <cboltz> hmm, actually that mail probably wasn't sent via the usual route, see https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/a115e9cf1dd9 for the headers
2025-09-26T11:37:26  <cboltz> most interesting is probably   Received: from grommunio.gromintern.de (mail.gromintern.de [116.203.211.215])   instead of the usual smtp-out1.suse.de
2025-09-26T11:44:07  <cboltz> looking at my own inbox, I got about 75 security-announce mails from the far future, all with the same Date: header from the year 60056 - and those I checked were Received: from grommunio.gromintern.de (mail.gromintern.de [116.203.211.215]) on Sep 9th
2025-09-26T11:44:24  <cboltz> so someone there must have resent these mails to security-announce on this day
2025-09-26T11:45:09  <_Marcus_> ok, buggy mailserver somehow
2025-09-26T11:45:24  <cboltz> or a buggy user ;-)
2025-09-26T11:53:13  *** mogad0n_ is now known as mogad0n
2025-09-26T11:57:46  <robin_listas> In the kde3 list there was a mail sent at 10:17 UTC, has 7 copies, some delivered 11:31 UTC, ie, 20 minutes ago.
2025-09-26T15:53:43  *** teepee_ is now known as teepee
2025-09-26T16:47:17  <krop> the mail problem isn't solved. I received 8 copies of the "Review of the week" email
2025-09-26T16:57:52  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> yup and my email alias it's getting extras...
2025-09-26T17:15:31  <cboltz> a few of the security-announce mails had survived in mailq because some providers rate-limited delivery, or even detected that they have seen the Message-ID often enough
2025-09-26T17:15:37  <cboltz> I just removed those mails from mailq:
2025-09-26T17:15:50  <cboltz>     for qid in $(mailq | grep  security-announce | sed 's/ .*// ; s/\*//' ) ; do postcat -q $qid | grep 'Received: from grommunio.gromintern.de' && postsuper -d $qid; done
2025-09-26T18:39:27  <bengan_> still duplicate messages. although I don't see any duplicates in the list archive. for example facory is without duplicates. https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/
2025-09-26T18:48:52  <Sauerland> some mailing lists affected by delivering the same mail 5 or 6 times........
2025-09-26T18:51:29  *** bengan_ is now known as bengan
2025-09-26T19:06:15  *** teepee_ is now known as teepee
2025-09-26T19:15:19  <DonSpam> I'm on opensuse-updates and opensuse-security-updates.  I assume the 01/01/1970 problem is over, but the duplicates are still trundling in.
2025-09-26T19:16:40  <cboltz> some providers have rate-limited us, so there might still be some mails in mailq that "survived" from the mail burst
2025-09-26T19:17:47  <cboltz> the mailq size isn't much bigger as usual, so at least the amount of still-affected people and mails shouldn't be too big
2025-09-26T19:18:24  <DonSpam> Mine are coming via t-online.de, no idea what their policies are.
2025-09-26T19:19:59  <cboltz> mailq says   (host mx02.t-online.de[194.25.134.9] refused to talk to me: 421 IP=195.135.223.51 - No more parallel connections from your address allowed)
2025-09-26T19:20:08  <cboltz> currently affects 10 mails in our mailq
2025-09-26T19:29:05  <DonSpam> 3 more just turned up, SUSE-SU-2025:03378-1
2025-09-26T19:31:18  <DonSpam> If this problem is now sorted, I'll go back to lurking.  Thanks for whatever you did.
2025-09-26T19:55:28  <cboltz> nice[tm] - id.o.o throws 500 internal server error   (and with that, breaks mailman login)  :-(
2025-09-26T21:11:01  <matrix-o-o> <Richard Rahl> do we still have issues with the email server? getting still some emails multiple times (like the review of the week I got now 14 times)
2025-09-26T21:11:39  <cboltz> looks like mailman still has some leftovers in the queue :-/
2025-09-26T21:13:45  <matrix-o-o> <Richard Rahl> ahh thats fine then, thanks cboltz
2025-09-26T21:48:26  <a-865k> 14 of review of the week arrived here
2025-09-26T21:49:22  <cboltz> I also got lots of them :-/
2025-09-26T21:51:36  <cboltz> one thing I noticed is that our spam filter (connected via smtpd_proxy_filter) sometimes takes more than 10 seconds
2025-09-26T21:52:10  <cboltz> I just increased   smtpd_timeout = ${stress?{30}:{300}}s   which defaults to 10s under stress
2025-09-26T21:52:32  <cboltz> and since smtpd_proxy_filter talks smtp, it might be affected by that limit
2025-09-26T21:53:50  <cboltz> "might" because I'm not really sure about it ;-) (man 5 postconf also doesn't go into this detail) - let's see if it avoids future duplicates
2025-09-26T23:24:27  <a-865k> 16 of review of the week arrived here, more stragglers