2025-09-25T00:23:40  <bmwiedemann> wiedeman
2025-09-25T00:24:03  <bmwiedemann> err. I typed into the wrong window.
2025-09-25T00:32:24  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> Hi Doc. The download infrastructure seems to be OK so far. We just migrated the /repositories part from an old XFS to a newer XFS volume with some overlayfs trick to avoid downtime.
2025-09-25T00:33:25  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> interesting: The matrix messages appear on IRC, but the messages from IRC don't pop up here.
2025-09-25T07:49:10  <matrix-o-o> <Richard Rahl> Hey, I get a cert expired on build.o.o.
2025-09-25T10:15:31  <robin_listas> All repos seem to be down. I get:
2025-09-25T10:15:35  <robin_listas> Repository 'Main Repository' is invalid.
2025-09-25T10:15:35  <robin_listas> [repo-oss|http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.6/repo/oss/] Failed to retrieve new repository metadata.
2025-09-25T10:15:35  <robin_listas> History:
2025-09-25T10:15:35  <robin_listas>  - [|] Error trying to read from 'http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.6/repo/oss/'
2025-09-25T10:15:35  <robin_listas>  - Location 'http://cdn.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.6/repo/oss/content' is temporarily unaccessible.
2025-09-25T10:15:36  <robin_listas> Please check if the URIs defined for this repository are pointing to a valid repository.
2025-09-25T10:20:39  <acidsys> bmwiedemann ^
2025-09-25T10:20:57  <acidsys> seems to work again though (but not sure it's stable)
2025-09-25T10:22:53  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> pontifex had a reboot. Which can be normal for a Thursday, but I would still have hoped to get a notice about it somewhere.
2025-09-25T10:23:10  <acidsys> I think the issue is with cdn.opensuse.org
2025-09-25T10:23:24  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> no. cdn.o.o needs download.o.o as backend
2025-09-25T10:24:22  <acidsys> cdn.o.o cannot operate when download.o.o is not available?
2025-09-25T10:25:25  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> mostly. It can only stuff that is cached and hot.
2025-09-25T10:25:32  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> +serve
2025-09-25T10:26:08  <acidsys> then I don't understand why some months ago you tried to convince me that we do not need redundancy for download.o.o :)
2025-09-25T10:26:28  <acidsys> https://cdn.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/infrastructure/15.6/repodata/c96346c0c6c81431a453b98ab93ae5cbe7ce97989c0f01e2229bc3cf565aef38-primary.xml.gz still returns 503 btw
2025-09-25T10:26:34  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> hmm. did I?
2025-09-25T10:26:49  <acidsys> yes when I talked about geoip and having slc-mirror.o.o a 1:1 copy of download.o.o
2025-09-25T10:27:14  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> works here. I probably get to a different POP
2025-09-25T10:27:21  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> FRA
2025-09-25T10:27:34  <acidsys> ah I get x-served-by: cache-vie6382-VIE
2025-09-25T10:28:59  <acidsys> ref -f made it work (or just coincidence)
2025-09-25T10:29:16  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> I think, an externally hosted copy of all of download.o.o would be nice. But it has a pretty high rate of change, so things would be slightly outdated most of the time and in the past provo-mirror did not have enough bandwidth.
2025-09-25T10:29:46  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> maybe if we exclude /repositories (which is now on a separate filesystem)
2025-09-25T10:30:05  <PavelJancik> I am testing from Prague. It seems it starts working at the moment as well. I have had issue for approx 30 minutes.
2025-09-25T10:30:32  <acidsys> right, I get it would have a delay, but it would be better than not serving anything (but need to avoid that someone installs updates and gets some data from the newer and some from the older place). bandwidth should not be a problem nowadays
2025-09-25T10:30:34  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> pontifex was down 12:00 to 12:15 UTC
2025-09-25T10:30:57  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> CEST
2025-09-25T10:31:38  <PavelJancik> It is more or less the time I see these 503, thanks for more details. It works now for me.
2025-09-25T10:31:47  <acidsys> I would personally want /repositories as well but I know it adds a lot .. maybe we could curate some commonly used paths from there
2025-09-25T10:32:54  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> When as a user you do a zypper dup from download.o.o, then the main server goes down and the fallback only has yesterday's snapshot, zypper dup would downgrade your OS again (which Firefox and some other software dont like)
2025-09-25T10:34:05  <acidsys> yep that's what I meant we'd need to avoid somehow
2025-09-25T10:35:07  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> Maybe if OBS would publish to both at the same time...
2025-09-25T10:35:36  <acidsys> if obs could push to both that would be even better than having slc-mirror rsync from pontifex
2025-09-25T14:10:35  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> Hello folks, can we please merge https://gitlab.infra.opensuse.org/infra/salt/-/merge_requests/2574 I'd really like to have this topic solved. And be able to fix issues on the way. Thx! :-)
2025-09-25T14:21:48  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> crameleon (acidsys): I thought gitlab can do squash on merge, can't it?
2025-09-25T14:23:19  <acidsys> using this feature in any Git-web-forge I generally frown upon, as you replace your commits with one signed by a robot
2025-09-25T14:23:39  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> I can do manual squash then
2025-09-25T14:23:59  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> I just don't like that much as it usually messes up comment history
2025-09-25T14:24:48  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> i dont like squash merges
2025-09-25T14:24:53  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> +in general
2025-09-25T14:25:07  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> its fine to have a bunch of loose commits because it keeps all the context intact
2025-09-25T14:25:37  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> I don't like that much for sake of reverts etc
2025-09-25T14:26:12  <acidsys> context is relevant for logically grouped changes; it's not historically relevant that you took 5 fixups to spell a word correctly
2025-09-25T14:26:42  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> sure but you can just autosquash those as part of your PR work, not do it at the time of merge
2025-09-25T14:26:47  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> LOL
2025-09-25T14:26:53  <acidsys> yes that's what I suggested
2025-09-25T14:27:16  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> oky waiting for pipeline ... to rebuild
2025-09-25T14:27:19  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> "git rebase -i --autosquash upstream/master.."
2025-09-25T14:27:30  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> * upstream/master"
2025-09-25T14:27:31  <acidsys> you are boldly assuming
2025-09-25T14:27:36  <acidsys> that people use fixup correctly ;)
2025-09-25T14:27:47  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> i like to assume bold :)
2025-09-25T14:27:59  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> I'm getting bolder from waiting for the pipeline :-D
2025-09-25T14:28:05  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> as in the other bold
2025-09-25T14:28:38  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> lubos, lay off the cookies for a while, mkay? stress eating isnt nessecarily a good habit ;)
2025-09-25T14:28:52  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> hehe how did you know? :-D it was an apricot cake
2025-09-25T14:29:11  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> well you said "the other bold" :P i jut assumed stress eating
2025-09-25T14:29:19  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> lol as in loosing hair
2025-09-25T14:29:29  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> oh, b_*a*_ld lol
2025-09-25T14:29:53  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> Lubos Kocman: you're bald and bold, why care?
2025-09-25T14:30:44  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> Bald is beautiful. Hairless Happiness
2025-09-25T14:51:53  <cboltz> lkocman: mostly deployed, except https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/b609b104e1b4
2025-09-25T14:52:39  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> cboltz: many thanks sir!
2025-09-25T14:53:01  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> Invalid crontab file, can't install.
2025-09-25T14:53:02  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> hmm
2025-09-25T14:53:34  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> bad minute
2025-09-25T14:53:36  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> let me see
2025-09-25T14:55:09  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> would you mind if I'd make the > block a single line instead?
2025-09-25T14:56:24  <cboltz> it won't be the most readable line, but it will work ;-)
2025-09-25T14:57:54  <cboltz> BTW: if you change the loop to   ... git pull {% for ... %} && make ...   you don't need the {% if ... %} for adding the && at the end
2025-09-25T14:58:10  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> ah that would be perhaps smarter
2025-09-25T15:06:59  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> https://gitlab.infra.opensuse.org/infra/salt/-/merge_requests/2578
2025-09-25T15:07:04  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> hopefully that works for everyone
2025-09-25T15:07:31  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> let me test-local build the thing with daps
2025-09-25T15:07:32  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> to see if we missed any dependencies
2025-09-25T15:08:18  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> works like a blast! nice
2025-09-25T15:09:00  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> oky one issue with make all
2025-09-25T15:09:06  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> we should install also w3m
2025-09-25T15:09:11  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> but that's not needed for make html
2025-09-25T15:09:24  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> cboltz: are you okay with me adding it so make all finishes too?
2025-09-25T15:09:48  <cboltz> no problem
2025-09-25T15:11:06  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> all should be covered in https://gitlab.infra.opensuse.org/infra/salt/-/merge_requests/2578
2025-09-25T15:12:21  <cboltz> set to automerge once more
2025-09-25T15:12:53  <cboltz> do you have a minute to review https://gitlab.infra.opensuse.org/infra/salt/-/merge_requests/2577 ?
2025-09-25T15:21:30  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> sure
2025-09-25T15:22:00  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> But I'm not sure if we have a good way to display the counter, since we have new landing page
2025-09-25T15:22:38  <cboltz> check the wiki main page ;-)
2025-09-25T15:22:49  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> gotcha
2025-09-25T15:22:58  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> ah awesome
2025-09-25T15:23:12  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> if we have time we should do the usual 15:00 on 1st of Oct
2025-09-25T15:23:18  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> otherwise PR looks good
2025-09-25T15:24:58  <cboltz> the release date/time is handled in the script in github.com/openSUSE/countdown.o.o, and the images are also there
2025-09-25T15:25:10  <cboltz> the salt part is "only" for the redirect link
2025-09-25T15:27:32  <cboltz> the script has   RELEASE = datetime.datetime(2025, 10, 1, 12, 0, 0)   # UTC
2025-09-25T15:31:17  <cboltz> cronjobs and counter redirect deployed
2025-09-25T15:33:01  <cboltz> maybe you can also have a look at the 15.6 release notes config?
2025-09-25T15:33:05  <cboltz>     Could not find a valid RPM at https://build.opensuse.org/public/build/Documentation:Auto/openSUSE_Leap_15.6/x86_64/_repository/release-notes-openSUSE-L155 after 3 attempts - giving up.
2025-09-25T15:33:19  <cboltz> note 15.6 vs. 155
2025-09-25T15:34:00  <cboltz> (also, a MAILTO in the crontab or an /etc/aliases entry would be nice so that these errors get sent to admin-auto)
2025-09-25T17:30:51  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> 15.5 is eol we can stop running that completely
2025-09-25T17:31:13  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> I archived 15.5 rn on docs.opensuse.org https://github.com/openSUSE/doc-o-o/pull/37
2025-09-25T17:32:50  <cboltz> https://github.com/openSUSE/doc-o-o/blob/main/rn-config/etc/releasenotes disagrees - and shows that 15.6 has the broken line with -L155
2025-09-25T17:37:54  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> https://github.com/openSUSE/doc-o-o/pull/38
2025-09-25T17:47:50  <cboltz> that still leaves the 15.6 line with ...-L15_5_
2025-09-25T17:53:19  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> https://github.com/openSUSE/doc-o-o/pull/39
2025-09-25T17:54:39  <cboltz> looks better now :-) - thanks!
2025-09-25T17:54:51  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> many thanks for noticing Christian
2025-09-25T18:13:17  <cboltz> looks like the new cronjob worked :-)
2025-09-25T18:13:47  <cboltz> however it generates a mail with the daps output - can you please quiet that?
2025-09-25T18:15:18  <cboltz> (at least / only in success case - on errors, sending a mail helps to notice the errors)
2025-09-25T18:15:26  <cboltz> while on it, please also set MAILTO so that the cron mails get sent to admin-auto (see salt/profile/mail_reminder/init.sls how to do that)
2025-09-25T18:16:47  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> nice! https://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/16.0/
2025-09-25T18:16:59  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> well now somebody has to update the index page :-D
2025-09-25T18:17:10  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> I just don't like the fact that RN team did not merge my changes yet
2025-09-25T18:17:42  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> https://github.com/SUSE/release-notes/pull/33
2025-09-25T18:42:05  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> cboltz: how do you like https://github.com/openSUSE/doc-o-o/pull/40 ?
2025-09-25T18:42:18  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> I'm not sure about Minimal HTML, but it sounds better than Plain HTML or Simple HTML imho
2025-09-25T18:48:45  <cboltz> indeed, even the nicely styled variant doesn't use too much formatting and would count as "simple html"
2025-09-25T18:49:38  <cboltz> so "minimal HTML" is a good description - unless you want to use "unstyled HTML", but that sounds somewhat negative IMHO
2025-09-25T18:51:18  <cboltz> however, I wonder who the target group of minimal html is (and if such a target group exists at all), therefore I'd consider not to add "minimal html"
2025-09-25T18:51:49  <cboltz> if the target group is "w3m users", then I'd guess minimal and styled html probably look the same there ;-)