2025-07-12T02:03:35  <matrix-o-o> <Rachel> @irc_liberachat_cboltz:opensuse.org: I need to join y'all in these meetings but timezones make it such a hassle. Though next time I will try to join ^_^
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2025-07-12T14:14:30  <acidsys> malcolmlewis: just to clarify on my ticket comments, if you think this is warranted happy to discuss it further, it just does not feel correct to me because from what I can tell the service a) does not show why a user ended up there and b) works with IP addresses and people might just have used a public network once
2025-07-12T14:31:36  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: We don't when it's an IP address (some are vpn's), username or variation and email address, we have been using the service for eons without issues, as in vBulletin times when both SUSE and openSUSE forums. Some of these emails have many entries in the database. Up to you guys, we won't see them in the Forum as they are suspended, but can spam elsewhere in the infrastructure. It's only a courtesy thing...
2025-07-12T14:31:41  <matrix-o-o> ... since I see SFaulken do the same for OBS.
2025-07-12T14:32:06  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: I delete all the profile carp they post, URL's etc...
2025-07-12T14:32:58  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> at least in vB I could block ip addresses (and complete blocks at times)
2025-07-12T14:36:06  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> hendersj: ^^ Thoughts (you banned the user in 184639)
2025-07-12T14:36:21  <acidsys> if there is actual spam it is fully legitimate (like the ones SFaulken finds on OBS or also some of the ones you requested where I found the match on forums.o.o), I only wondered about the ones which sounded like you *only* noticed a report in stopforumspam
2025-07-12T14:38:30  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: That's because I usually add them when they pop up from the other forum staff
2025-07-12T14:39:29  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: many are in their profiles, do I need to capture screen shots, there is probably a log of the profile data deletion?
2025-07-12T14:43:58  <acidsys> no no, I trust if any one of you tells me a user is spam. maybe I am not explaning well :D "please deactive this user because they spam in forums" => good with me, but "please deactive this user because random third party says they are bad but no idea why" => questionable with me.
2025-07-12T14:50:08  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> tacidsys: I completely get that. That said, if $user has a known history of violating our rules, I am completely for preventive banning. Like we do, cooperating with the Fedora and Ubuntu people, with the Draupnir bots, that Emma [it/its] provides us with
2025-07-12T14:53:54  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> And, banning on IP / IP blocks? For multimple reasons that is history. And in many areas in this world, it will deny access to our premises because their IP was previously used by a neighbour who did spam for work
2025-07-12T15:02:50  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: 184639 was spam in the profile, normally if get an ip address hit we don't suspend, but allow posting and see what the user does.
2025-07-12T15:04:16  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> Ah, guess I misunderstood. IMO spam in profile is still spam
2025-07-12T15:04:17  <acidsys> malcolmlewis: well 184639 I also fulfillfed
2025-07-12T15:05:06  <acidsys> because you reported a legitimate event of spam
2025-07-12T15:05:46  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: 185266 has 13 different consumers of the service saying they spammed their forum... in the past that's seems valid and the whole purpose of the plugin?
2025-07-12T15:05:51  <acidsys> I talk about 185305 185686 185266
2025-07-12T15:06:10  <acidsys> how do I find that information?
2025-07-12T15:06:58  <acidsys> reading your ticket description, "showed up" does not hint at any such details :)
2025-07-12T15:10:01  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: check the forum for a topic I just created for you 😉
2025-07-12T15:13:27  <acidsys> interesting, thanks!
2025-07-12T15:14:28  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: so we have a plugin that connects/checks for us and automatically suspends for review.
2025-07-12T15:15:45  <acidsys> back to 185266, putting the username into https://www.stopforumspam.com/search I find 3 entries. did you mean 3 or is there another page where I find 13?
2025-07-12T15:16:40  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: email address
2025-07-12T15:19:08  <acidsys> ah ok .. with that we're back at what I commented on back when we deployed this forum plugin, I should probably not go into that again :P
2025-07-12T15:27:06  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: 😄 Again do or don't it's up to y'all, I did do it a long time ago, without any action, now that SFaulken started, I'm just complementing that and suspended from the Forum, but you may see something from the user in other parts of the infrastructure...
2025-07-12T15:30:53  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> Which user is this about? The other mods might keep an extra eye on them
2025-07-12T15:31:34  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> knurpht - Gertjan: multiple, I email the forum admins ML with a copy
2025-07-12T15:32:02  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> Thanks malcolmlewis
2025-07-12T15:34:28  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> Maybe a mod ticket is better for just the ones that show up in the plugin, but not spammed? Ones that do spam or spam profiles we send to progress
2025-07-12T15:35:03  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> acidsys: knurpht - Gertjan hendersj ^^
2025-07-12T15:40:03  <matrix-o-o> <hendersj> malcolmlewis - with regards to 184639, it's been a little while, but IIRC, the user showed up both by username and e-mail address in SFS. Hitting 2/3 of the criteria is sufficient IMO to confirm their intent.
2025-07-12T15:40:19  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> mod tickets are good.  it centralizes some place to reference for other platform moderators
2025-07-12T15:40:26  <acidsys> malcolmlewis: that sounds good to me
2025-07-12T15:40:35  <matrix-o-o> <hendersj> For additional details, let's take the discussion to the admins area, since we don't want to give potential spammers ideas about how to circumvent our process.
2025-07-12T15:41:32  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> hehehehe
2025-07-12T15:42:12  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> meow
2025-07-12T15:48:49  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> woof
2025-07-12T15:49:54  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> oink oink
2025-07-12T16:18:22  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> SFaulken: https://code.opensuse.org/project/mod-team/issue/74 the first of I suspect many...
2025-07-12T16:18:52  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> Thanks
2025-07-12T17:16:56  <matrix-o-o> <Rachel> Emma [it/its]: I knew you were a cat! proof
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