2025-06-18T10:31:34  <matrix-o-o> <Yoshio 🇺🇦 Sato> cboltz: Hello. 3 of the plugins we use in our MediaWiki instance are no longer maintained: GitHub, ParamProcessor, Validator. Can you give me some idea on how reliant on those we are?
2025-06-18T12:21:08  <cboltz> Yoshio: the github extension is rarely used so removing it shouldn't be a big problem
2025-06-18T12:21:39  <cboltz> since the normal search won't help much here - you can use Special:ReplaceText to search for "#github" (just look at the search results, but don't replace anything)
2025-06-18T12:23:25  <cboltz> ParamProcessor and Validator are (or were?) required by the Maps extension
2025-06-18T12:23:52  <cboltz> if Maps no longer needs them, you can probably drop them without a user-visible change
2025-06-18T12:26:53  <cboltz> AFAIK the Maps extension is only used on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Map - and is broken anyway, so it can't become worse ;-)
2025-06-18T14:09:26  <Sauerland> Are some servers not updated anymore: for example: https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/opensuse/repositories/server%3A/database/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/x86_64/
2025-06-18T14:09:52  <Sauerland> Its behind the download.opensuse ones.........
2025-06-18T15:13:57  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> Sauerland: likely still syncing as a new snapshot dropped
2025-06-18T15:40:56  <Sauerland> malcolmlewis: ok thanks
2025-06-18T18:17:44  <matrix-o-o> <Yoshio 🇺🇦 Sato> Among those openSUSE Admins members who had a chance to work on anything MediaWiki related, do we have a consensus that we should at least consider a MediaWiki alternative?
2025-06-18T18:24:42  <acidsys> I'm not aware of any such decision
2025-06-18T18:27:36  <matrix-o-o> <Yoshio 🇺🇦 Sato> I'm currently asking about opinions among the Admins
2025-06-18T18:27:41  <acidsys> and my personal take is that there's no issue with mediawiki, it is a well known and established wiki software which people know how to use and operate, the issues are mostly with the content and a software change is not going to solve those
2025-06-18T18:28:42  <mirppc> there was a lot of information when the original wiki system was migrated to a new system
2025-06-18T18:28:54  <mirppc> quite a bit of that information is just gone
2025-06-18T18:29:14  <mirppc> really it isnt so much about the admins but the people who maintain the content on the wiki
2025-06-18T18:29:17  <acidsys> mirppc: we still have https://old-en.opensuse.org/, but yeah, your point still stands
2025-06-18T18:29:44  <mirppc> if they are unwilling to put the effort to migrate the data over and maintain its accuracy then there is pretty much no point
2025-06-18T18:31:31  <mirppc> acidsys, there was a bit that got purged before old.en.opensuse.org was implemented as a FYI
2025-06-18T18:31:44  <mirppc> i remember being upset about it
2025-06-18T18:31:59  <mirppc> but alas at the time i could do little
2025-06-18T18:32:15  <acidsys> right
2025-06-18T18:32:22  <matrix-o-o> <Yoshio 🇺🇦 Sato> mirppc: Who are "they" exactly?
2025-06-18T18:32:49  <mirppc> read the prior sentence
2025-06-18T18:33:16  <matrix-o-o> <Yoshio 🇺🇦 Sato> oh, yeah..
2025-06-18T18:33:31  <matrix-o-o> <Yoshio 🇺🇦 Sato> How and why exactly did we lose information back then?
2025-06-18T18:33:41  <mirppc> just never migrated over
2025-06-18T18:34:06  <mirppc> the lack of people doing the wiki documentation and work
2025-06-18T18:34:17  <matrix-o-o> <Yoshio 🇺🇦 Sato> Any specific kind of information?
2025-06-18T18:34:39  <mirppc> there are not as many people working on the opensuse wiki as there are for something like the ARCH wiki
2025-06-18T18:35:17  <mirppc> you are asking me to dig up old memories when i need to focus on more pertiant things
2025-06-18T18:35:52  <mirppc> also it is a mute point
2025-06-18T18:36:02  <mirppc> this migration was quite some time ago at this point
2025-06-18T18:36:56  <mirppc> now the question i have to ask is WHY sould the wiki be migrated over to a whole new backend?
2025-06-18T18:37:50  <mirppc> why should the admins go through the effort to get it setup, why sould the people who work on it take the information from the old wiki and move it over to the new backend.  Why should the work be put in?
2025-06-18T18:37:59  <matrix-o-o> <Yoshio 🇺🇦 Sato> I want to know and understand different aspects of the MediaWiki in our community as I have certain potential plans that are currently in a research phase
2025-06-18T18:40:40  <matrix-o-o> <Yoshio 🇺🇦 Sato> mirppc: MediaWiki takes quite some effort to maintain, and other alternatives can provide both easier maintenance and information keeping experience (updating wiki, writing new pages etc.)
2025-06-18T18:41:33  <matrix-o-o> <Yoshio 🇺🇦 Sato> After I'm going to done with both MediaWiki update and my research I will not just propose to make a migration but also perform the migration myself
2025-06-18T18:41:35  <mirppc> you have two branches you'd actualy want to communicate with
2025-06-18T18:41:48  <mirppc> the web team and the people who write stuff on the wiki
2025-06-18T18:45:14  <mirppc>   the TLDR is the admin isnt really the right place to ask
2025-06-18T18:45:36  <mirppc> now the web mailing list and the wiki team discussion board will get you further
2025-06-18T18:46:01  <acidsys> there hasn't been a web or wiki team in years
2025-06-18T18:48:31  <krop> out of curiosity, why does https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/system:/snappy/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/x86_64/?mirrorlist still list dead/outdated mirrors?
2025-06-18T18:49:21  <krop> KDE people complain because the CI apparently can't download from tspu.ru, which doesn't leave much choice
2025-06-18T18:49:57  <mirppc> @acidsys, i am just suprise anyone works on the wiki anymore as interest seems to have died out.  i just keep an eye on the Nvidia The Hard Way (for now) to make sure it is accurate and not screwed up
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