2024-09-16T02:35:31  *** teepee_ is now known as teepee
2024-09-16T09:44:16  *** teepee_ is now known as teepee
2024-09-16T15:19:54  <acidsys> luboskocman: seems someone already sorted it?
2024-09-16T15:20:30  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> acidsys: yup d1ckp1cs are gone! many thanks folks
2024-09-16T15:20:45  <acidsys> can someone let me know what handle it was?
2024-09-16T15:21:04  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> Ah man I had to close the window quickly, as I had kids next to me
2024-09-16T15:24:10  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> acidsys: It was @222ffffffffxccccccccccccccccccccccccccc:matrix.org
2024-09-16T15:41:20  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> knurpht has the right ID.
2024-09-16T15:43:05  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> Already posted that ^^
2024-09-16T15:45:34  <acidsys> thanks!
2024-09-16T17:23:00  <matrix-o-o> <smolsheep> LCP I think the main room is getting flooded again
2024-09-16T17:24:29  <SFaulken> handled.
2024-09-16T17:25:07  <SFaulken> @zoemsemssss:matrix.org this time.
2024-09-16T18:34:24  <matrix-o-o> <WesfunWasTaken> Main chat room flooded again
2024-09-16T18:36:34  <acidsys> SFaulken ^ ?
2024-09-16T18:39:07  <acidsys> I blacklisted all of matrix-federation.matrix.org. now, sorry for the drastic measure.
2024-09-16T18:40:23  <SFaulken> Don't apologize.
2024-09-16T18:40:40  <SFaulken> it's not like matrix.org is leaving us a hell of alot of choice.
2024-09-16T18:45:04  <acidsys> shall I post it to project@ ? I'm not sure how it will behave UX wise to people trying to join from matrix.org
2024-09-16T18:45:40  <SFaulken> I have no idea, honestly.  Obviously it doesn't affect matrix.org users that have already joined.
2024-09-16T18:46:37  <SFaulken> ok, so matrix.org users can still join rooms on our homeserver.
2024-09-16T18:46:59  <SFaulken> they just can't see opensuse.org in the matrix.org discovery, I *think*
2024-09-16T18:47:31  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> is me, from matrix.org. I joined manually by "/join #admin:matrix.org"
2024-09-16T18:48:16  <SFaulken> ok, so no, matrix.org users can still see and join everything.
2024-09-16T18:48:22  <SFaulken> I just checked from that login.
2024-09-16T18:49:21  <acidsys> stand by
2024-09-16T18:50:16  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> sorry "/join #admin:opensuse.org"
2024-09-16T18:51:31  <acidsys> SFaulken: could you try it again, please?
2024-09-16T18:52:20  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> ok, so I don't know what this means, but this account is able to talk in here, but I can't see anything anybody else is saying.
2024-09-16T18:53:33  <acidsys> ugh
2024-09-16T18:53:34  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> so the only thing this account can _see_ in the room directory are the opensuse "spaces", if it tries to join any of them, it just failes.
2024-09-16T18:54:48  <SFaulken> or not.   goddamned matrix/synapse, could you at least be consistent?
2024-09-16T18:55:44  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> this account can still browse the opensuse.org room directory, and join channels just fine.
2024-09-16T18:55:55  <matrix-o-o> <malcolmlewis> back to IRC for me, that needs to be dealt with on a way greater level...
2024-09-16T19:01:58  <acidsys> I think it's the most I can do, I added the v4 and v6 addresses: to federation_ip_range_blacklist in Synapse; our border firewall drop list; our blackhole routing table
2024-09-16T19:02:11  <acidsys> if it still lets you communicate from there, I don't know what matrix is doing :]
2024-09-16T19:02:44  <SFaulken> yeah, I just made an admin ticket requesting a hard defederation/block until they can start moderating their shit and/or close open registration.
2024-09-16T19:02:57  <acidsys> one thing I'm not sure, I sent reload to synapse, maybe it wants restart
2024-09-16T19:03:00  <SFaulken> I don't think the matrix developers know what matrix is doing half the time.
2024-09-16T19:03:05  <acidsys> if you could try it again (and maybe part/join a room) and it still doesn't work I could restart it
2024-09-16T19:03:12  <acidsys> doesn't work as in, does work ;)
2024-09-16T19:03:49  <acidsys> I mean, comments like this https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/3173#issuecomment-422082595 ..
2024-09-16T19:04:07  <SFaulken> ok, I just left this channel on my matrix.org account.
2024-09-16T19:04:10  <SFaulken> trying to rejoin
2024-09-16T19:04:50  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> nope, let me rejoin just fine.
2024-09-16T19:05:04  <acidsys> uh ok then I will restart synapse
2024-09-16T19:05:07  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> I can't see anything else anybody is saying, but I can talk and post all I want.
2024-09-16T19:05:23  <acidsys> that's .. peculiar
2024-09-16T19:06:05  <acidsys> it's restarted now
2024-09-16T19:07:26  <SFaulken> ok, matrix.org account has left the room.
2024-09-16T19:07:53  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> nope, let me walk right back in.
2024-09-16T19:08:24  <acidsys> then I'm a bit at the end of my latin
2024-09-16T19:08:50  <SFaulken> fucking matrix.
2024-09-16T19:09:04  <SFaulken> thanks for giving moderation basically no thought at all.
2024-09-16T19:11:11  <cboltz> acidsys: my _interpretion_ of https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/3173 + the next comment is that SFaulken gets routed via another server
2024-09-16T19:11:34  <cboltz> (but note that I know basically nothing about matrix, so I could also be wrong with that interpretion/guess)
2024-09-16T19:12:00  <cboltz> https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/3173#issuecomment-419164339 + the next comment to be exact
2024-09-16T19:13:50  <acidsys> hm I see, then the blacklisting of the IP addresses of that server not doing much makes sense
2024-09-16T19:15:52  <acidsys> JFYI the person behind tzchat.org responded and they forwarded it to matrix.org because their homeserver is just a whitelabeled instance
2024-09-16T19:16:58  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> Which that report will just get ignored, in my experience, I don’t know if matrix.org even monitors them, the way they never seem to do anything
2024-09-16T19:18:30  <acidsys> so what's the solution, having a completely private/non-federated matrix server? at which point one might just consider a simpler communication protocol ;)
2024-09-16T19:19:19  <cboltz> you mean, like... irc?
2024-09-16T19:19:23  <cboltz> *g,d&r*
2024-09-16T19:19:24  <malcolmlewis> acidsys, just use IRC...
2024-09-16T19:19:35  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> acidsys: I mean, if we can’t realistically control what’s getting posted up to the server or moderate it, yeah, basically, I know this sort of content is incredibly upsetting to a lot of folks
2024-09-16T19:19:37  <acidsys> I'm already here ;)
2024-09-16T19:19:55  <acidsys> yes I can understand that
2024-09-16T19:20:57  <malcolmlewis> that is the first time I have ever been exposed to that disgusting shit! In lord knows how many years of being on the internet
2024-09-16T19:23:36  <malcolmlewis> knurpht, if your in agreement, we have the forum channel on matrix, I would like to see it removed from matrix, I want no association with the possibility of that stuff being posted
2024-09-16T19:24:47  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> malcolmlewis: No objections to that. It's barely used anyway
2024-09-16T19:25:35  <malcolmlewis> knurpht, yes, just prime for that sort of stuff....
2024-09-16T19:31:06  <acidsys> project@ email feedback? https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/5d2bfb1c807b
2024-09-16T19:31:13  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> it would be easier on moderation if draupnir's auto redactions worked properly, right now even if it detects spam it can't remove it
2024-09-16T19:31:58  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> Fine by me, acidsys
2024-09-16T19:32:05  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> also keep in mind that blocking ips behind matrix.org may also limit any instances using ems
2024-09-16T19:32:28  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> LCP: Another brilliant decision in the whole setup
2024-09-16T19:33:18  <acidsys> right; I suggest to accept that until we have improved the abuse prevention
2024-09-16T19:33:31  <acidsys> I will add that to the text
2024-09-16T19:34:09  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> there's some work from canonical people on the subject, to have a synapse module for blocking invites for instance
2024-09-16T19:34:35  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> but yeah, from our side, getting a draupnir deployment and setting that up might be the best approach
2024-09-16T19:35:24  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> we need to be able to close off all moderation if it comes to it, and that wouldn't work very well if the moderation tools we use are external to the instance
2024-09-16T19:35:31  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> err
2024-09-16T19:35:36  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> close off federation
2024-09-16T19:35:36  <acidsys> I offered it yesterday and if I understood Emma's response they preferred to keep theirs
2024-09-16T19:36:01  <acidsys> but I did not look into it beyond that
2024-09-16T19:36:07  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> right
2024-09-16T19:36:20  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> I mean, I appreciate Emma’s help, but I think we probably do have a need for a project controlled bot
2024-09-16T19:36:24  <acidsys> good point about not relying on federation to moderate ;)
2024-09-16T19:36:48  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> the non working redactions in rory.gay instance concern me since we don't have a way to quickly remove the content after the spammer is detected
2024-09-16T19:37:38  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> all we really end up getting is a notification and that's not that helpful if there can be an automated response to this
2024-09-16T19:48:26  <acidsys> and it's specific to rory.gay, on our homeserver it would work?
2024-09-16T20:01:06  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> I do not know, I haven't gotten a specific answer
2024-09-16T21:16:13  <acidsys> back to the future request/show/1201122#comment-1987957
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2024-09-16T21:27:48  <matrix-o-o> <cbmiller> All,
2024-09-16T21:28:12  <matrix-o-o> <cbmiller> * content and I do not see it.
2024-09-16T21:30:01  <matrix-o-o> <cbmiller> +This is after a complete deletion of the Element app from my phone, including all storage and cache.
2024-09-16T21:38:52  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> LCP: its a bug fwiw
2024-09-16T21:41:02  <matrix-o-o> <LCP> ugh
2024-09-16T23:31:40  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its]> there goes matrix.org
2024-09-16T23:39:21  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> Emma [it/its]: wdym?
2024-09-16T23:44:06  <matrix-o-o> <knurpht - Gertjan> SFaulken: T
2024-09-16T23:44:18  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> T?
2024-09-16T23:44:28  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> have you been hitting the bottle again Gertjan?