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2024-07-28T05:51:39  <matrix-o-o> <Karthik (కార్తీక్)> acidsys: ok, great!
2024-07-28T10:41:57  <matrix-o-o> <Karthik (కార్తీక్)> downloads are served via  http, is this expected behaviour ?https://en.opensuse.org/HCL:Raspberry_Pi2#openSUSE_in_Raspberry_Pi_2
2024-07-28T10:57:46  <acidsys> hi Karthik, http and https both work equally for downloads
2024-07-28T10:57:59  <acidsys> for links on pages I usually prefer to write https://
2024-07-28T11:41:02  <matrix-o-o> <Karthik (కార్తీక్)> acidsys: i have updated the links to https:// by default
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2024-07-28T12:09:18  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> This is interesting discussion as I was told that http has currently bit more mirrors
2024-07-28T12:09:25  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> as not everybody has https set properly
2024-07-28T12:09:54  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-repos/blob/main/opensuse-leap-repoindex.xml has http://cdn.opensuse.org
2024-07-28T12:10:21  <acidsys> there's not much reason for a mirror operator to not offer https, if it is not working with one, the operator should be contacted about it
2024-07-28T12:10:22  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> I know Bernhard was also saying that we should probably start using download-o-o again, as that will also redirect you to cdn. Would that be correct?
2024-07-28T12:11:04  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> let me make an issue to revisit the default again
2024-07-28T12:11:39  <acidsys> about using download.o.o, not sure, would need input from bmwiedemann. I'm hesistant about it because download.o.o is still a SPOF. it would be good to at least make it georedundant with provo-mirror.
2024-07-28T12:12:38  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-repos/issues/72
2024-07-28T12:12:50  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> any inputs are welcome bmwiedemann ^ also from you :-)
2024-07-28T12:13:28  <acidsys> +1
2024-07-28T12:13:32  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> We have download3.o.o as fallback, but every time Prague is down, chip.i.o.o is unavailable to update DNS
2024-07-28T12:14:28  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> provo-mirror is often hours behind in repo sync because of the poor bandwidth
2024-07-28T12:14:34  <acidsys> bmwiedemann: is download3 independent? last time we used it, it heavily required content from provo
2024-07-28T12:14:44  <acidsys> making it very slow as well
2024-07-28T12:15:10  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> download3 pulls extra files from rsync.o.o in Nürnberg
2024-07-28T12:16:43  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> There is an idea to spend ~300 €/month on some independent colo hosting where we can have all files on a fast connection.
2024-07-28T12:17:04  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> Would this be something for Dirk?
2024-07-28T12:17:28  <acidsys> ok. about DNS, I am aware, this problem I hope to remove with poo#161846. it will should allow for automatic switching
2024-07-28T12:18:01  <acidsys> US will become faster after the migration to SLC
2024-07-28T12:21:30  <acidsys> I wonder though, download3 seems to not run mirrorcache
2024-07-28T12:22:38  <acidsys> I would like a full MirrorCache backup for download.o.o which can be switched to
2024-07-28T12:23:09  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> So acidsys what do you see as the best default overall?
2024-07-28T12:23:20  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> not just for EU
2024-07-28T12:23:39  <acidsys> I think we currently don't have a good default - download.o.o is a SPOF, and cdn.o.o depends on download.o.o
2024-07-28T12:23:57  <acidsys> if cdn.o.o would not depend exclusively on download.o.o, it would be great
2024-07-28T12:24:10  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> oky then
2024-07-28T12:24:21  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> we might still want to have discussion https vs http
2024-07-28T12:24:38  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> seems like https://cdn-o-o would be good default for openSUSE-repos users
2024-07-28T12:24:43  <matrix-o-o> <Lubos Kocman> the argument for http was more mirrors
2024-07-28T12:24:53  <acidsys> theoretically it does not matter, as packages are signed with pgp, but I think offering https by default is good/modern practice
2024-07-28T12:25:16  <acidsys> the problem is with mirrors which have broken https, because zypper (rightfully) does not allow https -> http downgrade
2024-07-28T12:25:31  <acidsys> but imo mirrorcache should not direct a user to a https mirror if the mirrocache connection came in via http
2024-07-28T12:25:40  <acidsys> sorry, vice versa
2024-07-28T16:36:56  <a-865k> last arrival from any opensuse mailing list was over 10 hours ago (kde3@l.o.o)
2024-07-28T16:39:15  <a-865k> last factory list post 12 hours ago agrees with list archive
2024-07-28T16:58:24  <cboltz> admin-auto still gets mails (last one ~50 minutes ago) - I know it's a strange idea, but maybe people just enjoy the sunny sunday?
2024-07-28T17:10:47  <a-865k> or maybe they have moved to forums or debian, whose lists are just as active today as yesterday & friday
2024-07-28T17:11:33  <a-865k> 26 hours since last from dimstar
2024-07-28T18:13:50  <knurpht> The one "from" dimstar is an automated one. For the rest: Summer holidays, spend weekend outside etc
2024-07-28T18:53:32  <matrix-o-o> <l3s8g>  Hi, i would like to use the "User watching" functionality to follow certain recipients on bugzilla via mail, e.g.: kernel-bugs@opensuse.org, kernel-bugs@suse.de. The functionality does not seem to be enabled (https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email), but i am certain it exists on other bugzilla instances. I know i could alternative receive updates for searches via RSS, but that would not give me a tree like...
2024-07-28T18:53:38  <matrix-o-o> ... view of conversations about bugs. Is it intended that this is not possible at all currently, or am i overlooking something?
2024-07-28T18:57:31  <acidsys> hi l3s8g, unfortunately we don't have control over Bugzilla. for recipients which happen to be an @opensuse.org mailing list (like kernel-bugs@opensuse.org), you can as a workaround subscribe to the list instead: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/kernel-bugs@lists.opensuse.org/
2024-07-28T18:57:32  <matrix-o-o> <l3s8g> The feature is described on this page: https://bugzilla.readthedocs.io/projects/harmony/en/latest/using/preferences.html#email-preferences, search for "Users watching"
2024-07-28T19:03:28  <matrix-o-o> <l3s8g> acidsys: Thanks. I'm already subscribed to that list, and would like to subscribe to other components too, e.g.  basesystem, bootloader, gnome. ^^
2024-07-28T19:28:08  <matrix-o-o> <l3s8g>  Is direct interaction with @heisenbridge:opensuse.org forbidden? I tried to join some IRC channels via heisenbridge but the bot does not reply to any commands e.g. "HELP". I'm writing using a matrix.org account, but it also does not work using an account on the opensuse.org instance.
2024-07-28T19:31:23  <matrix-o-o> <l3s8g> Many interesting components on bugzilla have suse mailing lists as the recipient, so i can't subscribe via mail. too bad :/ (e.g. basesystem, bootloader: screening-team-bugs@suse.de)
2024-07-28T19:32:52  <matrix-o-o> <l3s8g> * screening-team-bugs@suse.de; gnome: gnome-bugs@suse.de)
2024-07-28T19:33:26  <matrix-o-o> <l3s8g> +for Tumbleweed!:
2024-07-28T19:34:05  <cboltz> in theory you could ask at the mail address listed on the bugzilla start page if they can/want to enable the watching feature
2024-07-28T19:35:06  <cboltz> in practise, the response rate sadly is zero, so don't expect too much if you try
2024-07-28T19:41:20  <matrix-o-o> <l3s8g> cboltz: thanks for the hint and for giving realistic expectations :)
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