2024-01-17T05:08:08  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> Emma [it/its] ⚡️: thanks for that, I haven't looked very deep into draupnir or mjolnir, because I was being lazy and we didn't have that big of a spam problem (after removing ourselves from matrix.org directory at least), but it may be necessary at this point
2024-01-17T05:17:38  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> Jacob Michalskie: yes, it is =P
2024-01-17T05:18:41  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> I'm getting tired of banning world leaders  =P
2024-01-17T05:45:32  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> SFaulken: but they had sex with the commons!
2024-01-17T05:45:52  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> can somebody explain to me what the point of sharing that was
2024-01-17T09:25:19  <matrix-o-o> <bittin#1049> Having problems to login to http://code.opensuse.org this morning, not sure if its only me?
2024-01-17T09:26:09  <matrix-o-o> <bmwiedemann> yes, I think id.opensuse.org has problems.
2024-01-17T09:27:49  <matrix-o-o> <bittin#1049> ah alright then i know atleast, and you have something to do 😉
2024-01-17T09:28:34  *** teepee_ is now known as teepee
2024-01-17T10:16:19  <matrix-o-o> <bittin#1049> now it works again
2024-01-17T10:24:33  <acidsys> repaired it ...
2024-01-17T11:33:53  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> Jacob Michalskie: i'd say if you want an easier interface, go with draupnir
2024-01-17T11:34:24  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> if a moderator bans someone from a room, it'll prompt in the control room whether to ban them from all protected rooms
2024-01-17T11:34:41  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> interesting
2024-01-17T11:38:12  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> I guess I will work on deploying that at some point
2024-01-17T13:58:58  *** teepee_ is now known as teepee
2024-01-17T15:00:06  *** per is now known as pjessen
2024-01-17T15:08:23  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> Jacob Michalskie: I haven't a clue.
2024-01-17T15:09:14  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> Jacob Michalskie: they wanna cause a ruckus
2024-01-17T15:09:30  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> theyve made i think at least 10 accounts imitating world leaders to say similar stuff
2024-01-17T15:18:15  <acidsys> so I gathered, on IRC they spam about your channel having moved to some other random IRC network noone really cares about, on Matrix they imitate world leaders, and on mailing lists they invite you to suspicious porn websites. they are not good at targeted advertising, I am offering all spammers a course on how to better reach your target audiences for only 99.99$ a month. let me know if
2024-01-17T15:18:17  <acidsys> you are interested.
2024-01-17T15:20:30  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> I saw some guy with the name Olaf S.. and I braced myself
2024-01-17T15:20:39  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> it wasn't that Olaf
2024-01-17T15:21:22  <acidsys> must have been terrible when you found out the truth
2024-01-17T15:21:58  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> I was quite happy actually
2024-01-17T15:22:36  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> I can't look Olaf Scholz in the eyes anymore
2024-01-17T15:22:56  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> not that I could before
2024-01-17T15:23:57  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> I have no idea who that is.
2024-01-17T15:24:02  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> and I don't want to know.
2024-01-17T15:25:08  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> german chancellor, doesn't seem to be as widely known as angela merkel was
2024-01-17T15:25:12  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> theres a world leader called olaf, theres a member of the gnome room that's a different olaf
2024-01-17T15:25:13  <matrix-o-o>  they keep posting "doxes" of the gnome member olaf
2024-01-17T15:25:33  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> together with "doxes" of the one moderator in the gnome room
2024-01-17T15:25:34  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> are you sure they are different?
2024-01-17T15:25:47  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> yes
2024-01-17T15:25:52  <acidsys> surely "the" Olaf Scholz uses GNOME :P
2024-01-17T15:26:02  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> develops it even!
2024-01-17T15:26:13  <acidsys> don't make me start liking him!
2024-01-17T15:26:15  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> the gnome olaf is Olaf Sheeran
2024-01-17T15:26:21  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> not Sholz
2024-01-17T15:26:55  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> omg that was the olaf that caused me to panic
2024-01-17T15:27:03  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> Heh.
2024-01-17T15:27:22  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> i mean, the bad actor did create an account with "Olaf Scholz" as display name
2024-01-17T15:27:29  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> I know
2024-01-17T15:27:30  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> though, world leader with very long mxid? ban on sight i'd say
2024-01-17T15:27:31  <matrix-o-o> <Jacob Michalskie> I have seen it
2024-01-17T15:28:53  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> I've just been watching, as they have a pattern, aside from the long mxid's. They generally join #kde:kde.org then #fedora:fedoraproject.org and then they show up in #chat:opensuse.org So it's not like I don't see them coming.
2024-01-17T15:29:06  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> apparently they're hitting ubuntu and arch's matrix servers as well, I'm just not on them.
2024-01-17T15:29:38  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> can vouch for ubuntu, not sure about arch tho
2024-01-17T15:29:50  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> SFaulken: it looks like theyre just using a bot
2024-01-17T15:30:11  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> Oh, I know it's a bot/botnet. That part wasn't ever in question.
2024-01-17T15:30:14  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> did you notice how their command referred to some room list txt file?
2024-01-17T15:30:35  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> nah, I didn't bother reading anything. Just ban, delete, and move on with my day.
2024-01-17T15:30:40  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> their bot probably just iterates that synchronously :p
2024-01-17T15:30:57  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> fair
2024-01-17T15:31:29  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> I've been around way too long to care what any sort of spam says, same old crap, different chat protocol.
2024-01-17T15:31:37  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> SFaulken: though, this would explain some of the cme bans comming from the archlinux bot
2024-01-17T15:32:31  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> not sure what scope the ruma mod team has but theyre also receiving that spam somewhere
2024-01-17T16:48:14  <ddemaio> Hi all. does anyone have access to the jitsi server. Any ability to enable at "Start live stream" option.
2024-01-17T21:16:17  <mdogg> cboltz: Regarding the 2023 openSUSE Board Election portal, would it be possible to make the Summary/Biography pages for the candidates available once again so Members can reference it after logging in to view the results?
2024-01-17T21:21:46  <mdogg> On a completely unrelated note, I just want to mention that this particular rendering of Geeko is /hands down/ my very favorite --> https://www.mdogg.com/mdogg/pics/backgrounds/geeko_og.jpg
2024-01-17T21:22:13  <mdogg> I'm not sure who designed it, but I love. it.
2024-01-17T21:36:06  <cboltz> yeah, that's one of the few stickers on my laptop
2024-01-17T21:36:26  <cboltz> for the candidate pages - these pages are in the wiki, so they are public
2024-01-17T21:37:19  <cboltz> I guess you are looking for the links to the pages, but I'm afraid including these links on the elections.o.o results page isn't easy (if possible at all)
2024-01-17T21:38:43  <mdogg> Ok, yes.  That's what I was wondering.
2024-01-17T21:40:02  <mdogg> There is a link function but actually, I wonder if I login to https://id.opensuse.org/login/ldap first if it'll pull the user profiles.
2024-01-17T21:40:05  <mdogg> Lemme see.
2024-01-17T21:47:26  <mdogg> Weird - if the Election Portal generates the link to the user, it generates an output like this:  [e8864a17838d50f606d0bb0f] 2024-01-17 21:45:11: Fatal exception of type "MWException"    However if I open a Firefox Private Browsing Window and paste that same URL, it displays the user profile.
2024-01-17T21:48:08  <mdogg> Anyway, it doesn't seem like that's worth getting in to since the information is still published and accessible.  Thanks again for your help, cboltz.
2024-01-17T21:48:54  <cboltz> that wiki error should not happen
2024-01-17T21:49:17  <cboltz> are you logged in to the wiki or another site using the login proxy?
2024-01-17T21:49:19  <mdogg> Yeah, I didn't think so.  But it only happens if the Election Portal opens the URL in a new tab.
2024-01-17T21:49:50  <cboltz> does it also happen if you paste the URL into a non-private browser window?
2024-01-17T21:51:12  <mdogg> Yes it does, since I'm still logged in to the Election Portal so I can see the results of the election.  If I log out of that portal then I can open a new tab and paste the user info.
2024-01-17T21:51:26  <mdogg> Or, if I use a Private Browser.
2024-01-17T21:51:49  <cboltz> ok, so let's debug this ;-)
2024-01-17T21:51:53  <cboltz> what's your username?
2024-01-17T21:52:39  <mdogg> It doesn't like to display the user profiles if that election results portal is open.  Now, hang on - Let me log out of that and just login to the 'generic' Election Portal that doesn't show the specific results and see if it does the same thing.
2024-01-17T21:52:57  <cboltz> elections.o.o and the wiki both use the login proxy
2024-01-17T21:53:06  <cboltz> so basically you see the wiki error because you are logged in
2024-01-17T21:54:47  <cboltz> I just enabled debugging for "mdogg", can you please reproduce the error once more?
2024-01-17T21:58:49  <mdogg> oh sure - just a sec.
2024-01-17T21:59:27  <mdogg> Ok, I clicked on each user and received an output similar to what I posted earlier.
2024-01-17T22:03:18  <cboltz> try again ;-)
2024-01-17T22:03:58  <mdogg> Now it works.
2024-01-17T22:04:02  <mdogg> What was it?
2024-01-17T22:06:33  <cboltz> a known issue - you changed your mail address, and for some strange reason en.o.o explodes until I manually update it in the wiki database
2024-01-17T22:08:36  <mdogg> I changed my mail address?
2024-01-17T22:09:12  <mdogg> Oh, maybe I updated it to mdogg@opensuse.org - is that the change I made?
2024-01-17T22:09:19  <cboltz> right
2024-01-17T22:09:44  <mdogg> Ah, weird weird weird.  Why does that trigger a fluster cluck?
2024-01-17T22:10:14  <cboltz> good question ;-)
2024-01-17T22:10:36  <mdogg> Probably some issue with Active Directory.  =P
2024-01-17T22:10:51  <cboltz> to make it even more funny - basically I can copy the failed UPDATE query from the debug log and execute it manually to fix the problem
2024-01-17T22:11:05  <mdogg> lol seriously?
2024-01-17T22:11:08  <cboltz> yes
2024-01-17T22:12:23  <cboltz> I looked at the code in the past - IIRC the wiki does the UPDATE in a transaction and then does a SELECT to verify if it worked (and if it didn't, it does a rollback + erroring out)
2024-01-17T22:13:13  <cboltz> _maybe_ the select ends up on another server of our galera cluster, which doesn't have the updated mail address yet, and that's interpreted as failure
2024-01-17T22:13:40  <cboltz> (IIRC - it's been a while since I looked at it)
2024-01-17T22:14:35  <mdogg> I'm trying to recall where I updated that.  It was probably at either https://id.opensuse.org/login/ldap or https://community.suse.com but I don't think the latter even works anymore.
2024-01-17T22:15:07  <mdogg> Or, maybe it was bugzilla..
2024-01-17T22:15:35  <cboltz> probably idp-portal.suse.com
2024-01-17T22:15:50  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> mdogg: that's not gecko actually
2024-01-17T22:15:53  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> that's alex
2024-01-17T22:15:59  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> common misconception
2024-01-17T22:16:06  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> er, not geeko
2024-01-17T22:17:31  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> it was designed by one of the SUSE designers that was responsible for the last brand refresh 8 years back
2024-01-17T22:18:43  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> it's not my favourite tbh, I don't like hexagons and lizards without eyelids
2024-01-17T22:22:09  <cboltz> I wouldn't want it as official logo, but I like it "for fun"
2024-01-17T22:22:39  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> it is fun
2024-01-17T22:22:40  <mdogg> https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/index.cgi has mdogg@opensuse.org (which is correct)   |   https://id.opensuse.org/login/ldap (I don't have permissions to view or edit any of my info on this page, but I can authenticate and login)    |    https://www.rancher.com/community (nothing here anymore)    |    https://code.opensuse.org/project/membership (I can view and edit my my info here and I see mdogg@opensuse.org and my domain email to which it
2024-01-17T22:22:40  <mdogg> forwards)  <-- This site presents to me as the authority
2024-01-17T22:22:51  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> I do prefer drawing lizards in a bit different style myself
2024-01-17T22:23:22  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> I find that lizards with eyelids covering most of the eye are far cooler looking
2024-01-17T22:23:49  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> and evoke more of the lizard look
2024-01-17T22:23:51  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> That reminds me, when are you gonna get me a logo for Kalpa? _ducks_
2024-01-17T22:24:00  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> nothing
2024-01-17T22:24:11  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> there's gonna be no logos
2024-01-17T22:24:40  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> I had no motivation to take care of anything branding related recently
2024-01-17T22:24:50  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> heh, I'm mostly giving you crap.
2024-01-17T22:24:58  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> I need to brainstorm stuff
2024-01-17T22:25:06  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> I mean, you are reminding me of it
2024-01-17T22:25:22  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> I have too much stuff on my mind recently
2024-01-17T22:25:29  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> whever you get around to it is fine, no rush.
2024-01-17T22:25:50  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> aeon logo took forever not because richard was strict with it
2024-01-17T22:26:01  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> I just left him hanging for months on end
2024-01-17T22:26:43  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> heh
2024-01-17T22:27:02  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> I am trying not to repeat that
2024-01-17T22:28:08  <mdogg> Alex?  Is that Geeko's brother or something?
2024-01-17T22:28:23  <mdogg> Redheaded stepchild?
2024-01-17T22:28:26  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> I don't think that was ever explained
2024-01-17T22:28:38  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> it's just a different chameleon or something
2024-01-17T22:29:04  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> presumably named something different not to upset the geekoheads
2024-01-17T22:29:44  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> considering news.opensuse.org, we have upgraded to using AI for branding so maybe I will be replaced soon
2024-01-17T22:30:39  <matrix-o-o> <Emma [it/its] ⚡️> oh opensuse uses ai for branding now?
2024-01-17T22:30:54  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> apparently
2024-01-17T22:31:39  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> Don't think I haven't considered just letting ChatGPT develop Kalpa.
2024-01-17T22:32:00  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> think about it this way
2024-01-17T22:32:03  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> no responsibility
2024-01-17T22:32:14  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> nobody can blame you for anything going wrong
2024-01-17T22:32:29  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> and it just fixes or breaks itself without your involvement
2024-01-17T22:32:30  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> Exactly, and it probably can't do a worse job than me.
2024-01-17T22:33:35  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> I've used ai tools enough to say that none of them can really be trusted with much of anything
2024-01-17T22:34:06  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> oh, I poked at a couple of them, and yeah, I didn't find their ability to do anything particularly good. Other than be confidently wrong.
2024-01-17T22:34:09  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> and I find the images generated for openSUSE News articles just really ugly as well
2024-01-17T22:34:44  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> well, I still like using them for processing data that I don't want to process myself
2024-01-17T22:35:16  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> that's kinda what they were designed to do, so
2024-01-17T22:35:19  <mdogg> I've updated the image filename to 'openSUSE_alex.jpg' - that way he'll know that we're talking about him and not his brother.
2024-01-17T22:35:26  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> sure.
2024-01-17T22:35:47  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> asking it to invent stuff is more trouble than it's worth
2024-01-17T22:38:54  <matrix-o-o> <SFaulken> I found it mildly useful, with some code stuff, for languages I don't know, as far as giving me ideas how to do something, or pointing me in the right direction, which isn't nothing.
2024-01-17T22:48:26  <matrix-o-o> <lcp#0> sure