2022-10-28T09:06:53  <pjessen> to someone who understands nginx and news.o.o - please review ticket 119101
2022-10-28T09:34:29  *** ggardet is now known as guillaume_g
2022-10-28T09:57:01  <acidsys> there are a lot of people recently complaining about /repodata/<long id>-xml.gz not found during updates with zypper
2022-10-28T09:58:58  <bmwiedemann[m]> Leap or TW? both are getting frequent updates and there could be some minute of unsyncedness when a new version comes out
2022-10-28T09:59:28  <acidsys> tumbleweed seems to be more affected
2022-10-28T10:01:09  <acidsys> telling them to keep retrying a dozen times or switching to a fixed (non-o.o) mirror does not feel right
2022-10-28T10:01:19  <bmwiedemann[m]> some details from /var/log/zypper.log would be interesting - from where do they pull the file and is it the old one already gone or the new one not yet there?
2022-10-28T10:01:32  <bmwiedemann[m]> right
2022-10-28T10:02:05  <acidsys> will ask for zypper.log the next times it happens!
2022-10-28T10:03:57  <bmwiedemann[m]> I'll try to reduce the cache ttl for repomd.xml to 5s
2022-10-28T10:06:42  <acidsys> what was it before?
2022-10-28T10:07:09  <bmwiedemann[m]> 10s + 90s grace (return the old result once but recheck in background)
2022-10-28T10:07:36  <hellcp> we should probably note the reason why some vms are using tumbleweed tbh
2022-10-28T10:07:42  <acidsys> aha interesting
2022-10-28T10:08:10  <acidsys> hellcp: I made minnie:/tmp/export-tumbleweed-2022-10-28
2022-10-28T10:08:27  <hellcp> I mean, the reason usually boils down to "old python", that's the reason why matrix and mailman3 machines are using tw
2022-10-28T10:08:30  <acidsys> I don't see a rason for any of them ..except maybe your matrix things with python
2022-10-28T10:08:53  <acidsys> ye
2022-10-28T10:09:21  <acidsys> everything else doesn't make sense and if there is a specific piece of software that is not python and needs to be more current it's easy to branch it from the devel repository
2022-10-28T10:09:36  <bmwiedemann[m]> so there is no devel:languages:python with a newer python310?
2022-10-28T10:09:55  <acidsys> the %pythons there is set to only build python 3.6 for leap
2022-10-28T10:10:07  <hellcp> last time I looked there was no repo building deps for newer pythons
2022-10-28T10:10:09  <acidsys> for the libraries that is
2022-10-28T10:10:26  <hellcp> which makes maintaining machines that need new libraries for newer pythons way too big of a pain
2022-10-28T10:10:28  <acidsys> hence for my personal project I branched a couple hundred packages and set my own %pythons
2022-10-28T10:10:41  <acidsys> https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:crameleon:LibertaCasa :p
2022-10-28T10:11:04  <hellcp> I don't have enough patience for python to begin with tbh
2022-10-28T10:13:17  <acidsys> it was _slightly_ annoying as not all were using the %pythons macro to begin with
2022-10-28T10:13:46  <acidsys> and then there are those which break if the one in devel:python: gets updated
2022-10-28T10:14:08  <pjessen> hellcp: +1
2022-10-28T10:14:57  <hellcp> the funny thing about mailman stack is that it's actually half using older python
2022-10-28T10:15:09  <hellcp> it's using a mix of python 3.9 and python 3.10
2022-10-28T10:15:38  <hellcp> but it just plain wouldn't work with 3.6
2022-10-28T10:16:30  <hellcp> anyway, I can only comment on those two machines since I do maintain them
2022-10-28T10:17:11  <acidsys> bmwiedemann[m]: the user from just now posted only this snippet from their zypper log .. I don't know if that's helpful https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/opensuse.org/QJkXcJlVbyLAtmoqRfUIbNNP/message.txt
2022-10-28T10:18:02  <acidsys> hellcp pjessen I think in addition to noting down the reason I think there should also be a policy how up to date a service owner needs to keep it
2022-10-28T10:18:30  <acidsys> because it's questionable someone will keep track of vulnerabilities for several hundred pending updates :P
2022-10-28T10:18:42  <hellcp> I mean, all but 2 of those machines are using this month's snapshots
2022-10-28T10:19:14  <acidsys> sure but is that coincidence or is there a little gnome keeping care of updates :^)
2022-10-28T10:20:07  <hellcp> I feel like for this month it is likely a coincidence because I was fixing two of those machines >:D
2022-10-28T10:20:09  <bmwiedemann[m]> there is an auto-update timer that can be enabled
2022-10-28T10:20:32  <hellcp> in the past we had an auto update timer with a name lars
2022-10-28T10:21:05  <acidsys> ah that did distribution upgrade too ?
2022-10-28T10:21:49  <bmwiedemann[m]> how about `/usr/lib/systemd/system/suse-online-update.timer` - I see it enabled on some o.o machines.
2022-10-28T10:23:03  <hellcp> I honestly also wish our salt was in a state where we could run auto highstates
2022-10-28T10:23:14  <hellcp> I need to fix profile for mailman3 meanwhile
2022-10-28T10:24:44  <acidsys> If I understand the shell script correctly, it only does up and patch and not dup
2022-10-28T10:25:20  <bmwiedemann[m]> dup would be too dangerous for Leap. For TW it might be ok
2022-10-28T10:25:32  <acidsys> I was talking about TW and TW needs dup
2022-10-28T10:28:22  <bmwiedemann[m]> OK. someone would have to extend its `ZYPPER_UPDATE_TYPE` to support `dup` - because currently it defaults to `patch` which does nothing on TW
2022-10-28T10:29:05  <hellcp> that shouldn't be too difficult to script up I think
2022-10-28T10:29:08  <acidsys> hmm that's not sufficient because it has `up -t ...` hardcoded
2022-10-28T10:29:20  <acidsys> but where is the upstream source of that script anyways?
2022-10-28T10:30:15  <acidsys> aha found .. https://github.com/lrupp/suse-online-update
2022-10-28T10:32:53  <hellcp> `zypper info --provides openSUSE-release | grep "product-update()"`
2022-10-28T10:33:47  <hellcp> that's how zypper itself figures out to display info on which update method to use
2022-10-28T11:06:43  <bmwiedemann[m]> On stage3.o.o : `2022-10-28T10:14:30 UTC sync of tumbleweed completed.` - new 20221027 gets pushed out atm
2022-10-28T11:13:37  <bmwiedemann[m]> acidsys: `zypper ref --force` could help with those missing .xml.gz cases
2022-10-28T13:34:57  <pjessen> dns question - how are external dns requests to ns1234.o.o sent to ns1234.infra ?  with NAT'ing or how?
2022-10-28T13:39:09  <pjessen> or not at all?
2022-10-28T15:18:12  <bmwiedemann[m]> pjessen: AFAIK all 4 have public IPs. And the internal names are probably nue-ns1.infra.opensuse.org nue-ns2.infra.opensuse.org ipx-ns1.infra.opensuse.org provo-ns.infra.opensuse.org
2022-10-28T15:20:55  <bmwiedemann[m]> I can only ssh into 3 of them. does someone have access to ipx-ns1?
2022-10-28T15:21:18  <pjessen> bmwiedemann[m]: ah, I wasn't sure about their internal names. tnx
2022-10-28T15:22:07  <pjessen> ipx-ns1 - no access.
2022-10-28T15:24:32  <pjessen> I also have access to three
2022-10-28T15:31:08  <schantz> Hi, I'm having some trouble logging in to the forums. It doesnt complain about username/passwd but fails to log me in. Was wondering if its a temporary problem.
2022-10-28T15:32:44  <pjessen> schantz: yeah, something is not right. I'm trying to log out and it doesn't work
2022-10-28T15:33:01  <pjessen> oh, now it worked
2022-10-28T15:33:16  <pjessen> login works too
2022-10-28T15:35:07  <schantz> yeah, doesnt work for me even in incognito mode but I guess I'll wait and see :)
2022-10-28T16:29:22  <malcolmlewis> schantz, when was the last time you logged into the forum?
2022-10-28T16:31:49  <malcolmlewis> schantz, I suspect not for awhile and you have an un-migrated account...
2022-10-28T16:42:47  <schantz> I thought I had one already, but apparently didn't so I created a new one today.
2022-10-28T20:58:08  *** teepee_ is now known as teepee
2022-10-28T21:12:07  <malcolmlewis> schantz you did from 2017 and very likely used the same email address... <sigh>