2022-06-10T00:16:11 *** teepee_ is now known as teepee 2022-06-10T07:33:20 Hello team, we have the gpg key for at least one of our docs friends https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/110080 any help on progressing with access to gate.opensuse.org is welcome 2022-06-10T07:33:30 cboltz was working on it 2022-06-10T09:35:26 Sasi Olin: when you have time could you take a look why the Telegram bridge in #de:opensuse.org and #xfce:opensuse.org isn't working? 2022-06-10T09:35:26 (I have a hunch that appservice kicked it from the room again) 2022-06-10T09:49:08 possibly related: the irc bridges aren't doing their thing either 2022-06-10T10:33:28 where? 2022-06-10T10:33:48 > <@tux93:opensuse.org> Sasi Olin: when you have time could you take a look why the Telegram bridge in #de:opensuse.org and #xfce:opensuse.org isn't working? 2022-06-10T10:33:48 > (I have a hunch that appservice kicked it from the room again) 2022-06-10T10:33:48 would you send me their ids? 2022-06-10T10:34:05 I should probably note that stuff somewhere 2022-06-10T14:00:36 *** teepee_ is now known as teepee 2022-06-10T16:25:38 Hello, is there possibility to remove "scrollbar-width: thick;" from chameleon.css? Please read https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/scrollbar-width#accessibility_concerns for referrence. Try to scrill for example here: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/HVQ26PA6H7MACSWRDE3XGW5RINYUT5UC/ or basically any longer thread. Scrolling through long test with pressed page-down or scrolling for 1 2022-06-10T16:25:40 minute with mouse wheel is accessibility hell. And more when you need to hit the few pixel scrollbar when the right side of the window is not end of screen (for example when you have multiple screens). Also, the light-grey scrollbar on white background is almost invisible, you have to really focus to spot if there is even a scrollbar there... 2022-06-10T16:30:32 Citing: "And introduced in WCAG 2.1, criterion 2.5.5 (Target Size) advises that touch targets should be at least 44px in width and height (although the problem is compounded on high-resolution screens; thorough testing is advised).". Your scrollbars are 6 pixels... That must be a joke xD 2022-06-10T16:31:04 s/Your/Our/ 2022-06-10T17:19:51 gryffus, turn on auto scroll? 2022-06-10T19:10:45 lkocman[m]: whenever you have some time - the -current and -stable symlinks in update/ still point to 15.2 and 15.3 2022-06-10T19:19:01 i'm having a **lot** of trouble installing the latest TW snapshot - seems like for at least two out of three rpms that I have to upgrade i have to hit "retry" at least two times before it downloads the package 2022-06-10T19:20:05 all i see in zypper.log are 404 errors with the url being on download.opensuse.org, is there any way to see the actual mirror url? 2022-06-10T19:36:08 Mathias[m]: wget will tell you 2022-06-10T19:37:14 hm you mean i take the url from the zypper logfile and manually run them with wget until it fails and see? 2022-06-10T19:38:16 yup, that's it. 2022-06-10T19:38:26 pjessen: AFAIK Doug sent a mail to announce@lists.o.o (announcing Leap 15.4) two days ago, but it didn't appear yet. Can you have a look at the moderation queue? 2022-06-10T19:38:40 willdo 2022-06-10T19:39:47 hmm, nope, nothing from from doug 2022-06-10T19:40:10 hm it seems that now a file that did not work just a few minutes ago is where mirrorcache points to 2022-06-10T19:41:21 but what i do see is weird: 2022-06-10T19:41:31 pjessen: the mail was sent to opensuse-project@opensuse.org, opensuse-annouce@opensuse.org (and appeared on project@) - maybe the old address for announce is broken? 2022-06-10T19:41:39 anyway, I'll ask Doug to re-send it 2022-06-10T19:42:14 on one download the url from download.o.o directly redirects to the actual url on ftp.gwdg.de, on another try d.o.o redirects to mirrorcache-eu and then that redirects to gwdg 2022-06-10T19:43:58 cboltz: was it really sent to opensuse-annouce@opensuse.org (without the 'n') ? 2022-06-10T19:45:31 Mathias[m]: I would suggest opening a ticket. 2022-06-10T19:45:33 I did a copy&paste from the mail on project@ 2022-06-10T19:45:52 Mathias[m]: in zypp.conf increase download.max_silent_tries = 2022-06-10T19:45:59 so it looks like we found the bug - a driver error in /dev/finger* ;-) 2022-06-10T19:46:13 cboltz: yup, fat fingers 2022-06-10T19:47:32 pjessen: bugzilla? 2022-06-10T19:48:21 Mathias[m]: admin@opensuse 2022-06-10T19:48:46 ah that one - just by email, wasnt it? 2022-06-10T19:48:54 yup. 2022-06-10T19:49:25 we like to keep things simple :-) 2022-06-10T19:55:36 hm here's a fun bit: it only happens with TW 2022-06-10T19:55:49 ...i think 2022-06-10T19:56:13 i have two boxes with 15.4 that seem to be doing ok 2022-06-10T19:56:39 from our pov, that should not matter. maybe if zypper somehow misinterprets the redirects .... 2022-06-10T19:57:02 ok let me make sure i'm nut bs-ing 2022-06-10T19:57:15 Mathias[m]: always a good idea :-) 2022-06-10T19:57:24 i am logged in with clusterssh on one TW and two 15.4 boxes 2022-06-10T19:57:27 cssh is great 2022-06-10T19:58:17 hmm, will have to check that out 2022-06-10T19:58:24 so i'm doing "zypper cc --all; zypper ref" 2022-06-10T19:58:48 the two 15.4 boxes do fine - the TW box barfs 404's all over my screen 2022-06-10T19:59:13 oh 2022-06-10T19:59:14 no it doesnt 2022-06-10T19:59:30 heisenbug ? 2022-06-10T19:59:32 one of the two 15.4 boxes is, too 2022-06-10T19:59:40 oh 2022-06-10T19:59:46 definitely looks like mirros out of sync now 2022-06-10T20:00:13 because the two 15.4 both use the repo that failed on one, worked on the other 2022-06-10T20:00:19 but they'Re not in the same location, networkwise 2022-06-10T20:00:42 well, we have a new mirroring system in place, there is probably still something to be ironed out. 2022-06-10T20:00:50 the one that failed is here at home, behind telekom dsl - the one that worked is "outside" in a hoster datacenter 2022-06-10T20:01:34 on the other hand, the TW box that threw a whole screenful of 404's is in the same datacenter as the 15.4 that worked fine 2022-06-10T20:01:46 if you can describe it in detail, I strill think a ticket to admin@o would be good 2022-06-10T20:02:01 heisenbug a.k.a. out of sync mirrors behind a roundrobin system? 2022-06-10T20:02:24 download.o.o does a bit more than round-robin. 2022-06-10T20:02:44 there's GeoIP involved as well, isnt there? 2022-06-10T20:02:54 yup. for instance. 2022-06-10T20:04:16 well, mail is sent 2022-06-10T20:04:45 Thanks, we'll take a look. 2022-06-10T20:09:20 hmm... now i've put download.max_silent_tries =5 in zypp.conf - doesn't seem to make a difference 2022-06-10T20:09:44 could that possibly only catch stuff like connection issues but not error 404? 2022-06-10T20:11:24 looks like it, i just set it to 99 to see what happens and zypper ref still chokes on those 404s 2022-06-10T20:12:11 hmm, you really should not be getting 404s, that is weird 2022-06-10T20:12:30 but i can definitely say that the 15.4 boxes are affected just as bad right now 2022-06-10T20:12:38 the mirror scanner should be aware 2022-06-10T20:13:02 on 15.4, does it affect "only" the update repos, or also the frozen ones? 2022-06-10T20:13:28 the frozen ones being the main OSS and non-OSS ones? 2022-06-10T20:13:35 right 2022-06-10T20:13:48 let me check :) 2022-06-10T20:15:03 on 15.4 right now it's one repo, from OBS 2022-06-10T20:15:44 ok, that could also be one that was updated or rebuilt recently 2022-06-10T20:16:09 obs is a fast moving target 2022-06-10T20:16:19 (my guess is that OBS is too fast for the mirrors ;-) - but still you shouldn't be redirected to outdated mirrors) 2022-06-10T20:17:06 OBS is way too fast, we simply don't have the bandwidth 2022-06-10T20:18:50 Mathias[m]: if it is only repositories/ , don't bother reporting it, I'll only be telling you to be patient .... 2022-06-10T20:19:20 it also affects the tumbleweed main repos itself 2022-06-10T20:19:24 not only OBS stuff 2022-06-10T20:19:37 ok 2022-06-10T20:20:38 it started around the time when 15.4 GM was released so I've first thought it was just "all those people upgrading to 15.4 is killing the servers" 2022-06-10T20:21:36 I set download.max_silent_tries = 8. 5 is default. 2022-06-10T20:21:54 to answer your question in the ticket - /var/log/zypper.log should tell which mirror was used 2022-06-10T20:22:06 i just had it at 99 and it didn't have any visible offect 2022-06-10T20:23:18 huh now on my laptop i just had a completely new fail... "download.opensuse.org - host not found" 2022-06-10T20:24:47 could be local DNS. resolves fine here 2022-06-10T20:25:16 anyway, goodnight all, its getting too late for me 2022-06-10T20:25:33 good night! 2022-06-10T20:25:56 i'm looking in my log and the only urls i see failing are on d.o.o itself 2022-06-10T20:26:38 hmm, that's interesting[tm] and somewhat unexpected 2022-06-10T20:27:38 can you update the ticket with some log lines? (just reply to the confirmation mail you got, mail attachment for the log should work) 2022-06-10T20:30:55 will do 2022-06-10T20:45:48 fun detail: i'm running a "watch zypper ref -r #" with the number of the repo that is failing to update, and it doesnt fail with the same file every time 2022-06-10T20:47:04 nice[tm] 2022-06-10T20:47:46 thats the kind of shit that makes us IT people age too soon 2022-06-10T20:49:20 yeah, but on the positive side, it gives me topics for entertaining talks like "still not superheroes" which I gave at the openSUSE Conference (recording not online yet) 2022-06-10T20:50:33 not completely unrelated at this stage: an "english garden cocktail" is 2 parts gin, 1 part elderflower syrup and 3 parts cloudy applejuice. 2022-06-10T20:51:45 and a "borkum riff iced tea" is the german translation of a long island iced tea - 1 oz steinhäger, 1 oz asbach, 1 oz nordhäuser, 2 oz eckes edelkirsch and as much fritz cola as you can fit into the biggest longdrink glass you have 2022-06-10T20:52:15 hehe ;-) 2022-06-10T20:52:28 or maybe just 🍻 2022-06-10T20:52:38 we gotta keep the coast clean after all 2022-06-10T21:14:45 malcolmlewis: emmm, what is auto scroll? 2022-06-10T21:15:14 and how do i turn it on? 2022-06-10T21:17:06 Oh, nice, got it. Didn't knew that's a thing! It works flawlessly. Dunno why i did not knew it... But still, dragging scrollbar seems to be much precise 2022-06-10T21:18:58 Also, the thin scroll bar is not used even on www.opensuse.org, where you do not scroll so much as in ML archives. I don't see a reason why should be scrollbar set to thin there 2022-06-10T21:22:47 the quickest solution to get it changed is a pull request to https://github.com/openSUSE/chameleon (to the rel-3.0 branch) 2022-06-10T21:23:03 opening an issue there should also work, but is slower 2022-06-10T21:27:01 Ok, will do. Thanks.